Why does everyone have deformed/mutilated eyebrows?

[EmotionallyBroken]

I get some warriors will get gashed in the brow, but literally everyone looks like 3 quarters of their eye brows were burnt off. EVERYONE.

Why??? It looks unnatural and weird, and its VERY immersion breaking.... as much as the creepy mannequin smiles......

I get animated behavior can be tricky to predict a natural look in a dynamic envcironment....

mutated eyebrows you have to go out of your way to put in the game though.....


why???


Why not just use normal eye brows?


https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2547374011

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2547374823

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2547402582

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2547434757

[CEPHY]

If literally everyone has those it's a bug, or maybe a mod issue.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by CEPHY:

If literally everyone has those it's a bug, or maybe a mod issue.

Is that not how they look in your game? I certainly didnt install any "messed up eye brows" mod....

[Morkonan]

TLD: (Just my opinion, don't have to time to even think about double-checking by looking atm. ) A bad decision, given their hair is dynamically interacting with Options settings, populating itself accordingly. Someone goofed and forgot about that... So, every single character will have tinier eyebrows on lower settings, perhaps even when settings are a bit higher if they only get denser with minimum area coverage that's the same as the scalp... Someone derped... as all the hair is probably constrained to obey the same hair population settings based on user options/quality. (Low settings, hair is sparse, high settings, hair is dense - Sparse = tiny, itty, bitty on eyebrow hair given it's already only a small airea.)


I haven't really noticed before, since I run everything on low settings... But, it looks like someone thought using the same dynamic hair for character eyebrows was... smart. It isn't. Not in the same ruleset, at least. The hair in the game is effected by the quality options. A low settings, it's basically just very basic hair "guides." (Some chance for transmaps/strips, haven't looked.)

So, what that means is that since this eyebrow hair.. which was a dumb thing to do for a game like this.. gets effected by quality options as well. And, since the the volume of hair is reduced on certain quality settings... Well,there ya go.

Hair has enough issues in video games as it is. But, it's on a "scalp" that doesn't "move" much in most games. Eyebrows, however, move all the time and anything there needs to be able to be deformed with expressions. Plugging in these dynamically reproducing hair clumps, like making some realistic mask, into eybrows was a mistake.

They should have transmapped hair for low options settings, only enabling these more realistic clumps at higher settings. Though, tansparencies//alphas and the like can, depending on how the engine handles them, have more processing overhead than these hair clumps. But, they'll look better on low-end systems that aren't also upgrading everything else being displayed.

Density is probably governed by the same variable for all hair, because nobody is QA'ing anything... So, while head/scalp hair will populate appropriately, if the eyebrow hair must obey the same populating rules, it won't spread... right. I'd bet on max settings it looks fine, but degrades rapidly to the ponit where on low settings, like mine, it looks like a bad "Draw your own eyebrows" vid on youtube.

PS: They really should put in better low quality options as long as those don't increase resource use. And, there's no reason why the texture couldn't have painted on eyebrows - We're not going to notice it very much. Or, a separate group with its own trans that deforms with expressions would be fine, too, if they want a little shading/shadows/etc there. /shrug Or, just change the darn population options for those eyebrow plugs for goodness sakes. :/ (Set them up with their own group and population rules - It can't be that darn hard.)

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by < blank >:

They didn't have razors in those days, so they use fire or axes or both.

Or just tiny rocks.

[Sabaithal]

Not seeing that issue on my end. If you're using mods that could be the culprit.

If not, try starting a new game and seeing if the problem persists. I know warband had issues with save corrupting and warping NPC appearances (though it ended up being far worse).

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Not seeing that issue on my end. If you're using mods that could be the culprit.

If not, try starting a new game and seeing if the problem persists. I know warband had issues with save corrupting and warping NPC appearances (though it ended up being far worse).

if you have "normal eyebrows" mods, please share.

[Distant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

Not seeing that issue on my end. If you're using mods that could be the culprit.

If not, try starting a new game and seeing if the problem persists. I know warband had issues with save corrupting and warping NPC appearances (though it ended up being far worse).

if you have "normal eyebrows" mods, please share.

No mod, the eyebrows are normal in everyone's game. It's a problem on your side.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by Goatman:

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

if you have "normal eyebrows" mods, please share.

No mod, the eyebrows are normal in everyone's game. It's a problem on your side.

Why do I always get the freak errors?

Please show me some screen shots of your eye brows....... that sounds so weird.

[CEPHY]

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Originally posted by Goatman:

No mod, the eyebrows are normal in everyone's game. It's a problem on your side.

Why do I always get the freak errors?

Please show me some screen shots of your eye brows....... that sounds so weird.

Well I don't have any screenshots but I can promise you that my eyebrows all look normal. Some seem a little... small compared to the rest of the face, but overall they look completely normal.

The only reason I can think of why you might be having this issue is corrupted files.
Perhaps your savegame is from an older game version, or perhaps your install got messed up and you'd need to reinstall.

EDIT: I've also heard that, if you go below a certain setting, faces will get really messed up. So unless you're playing on max settings, that could also be the issue.

[Twelvefield]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by < blank >:

They didn't have razors in those days, so they use fire or axes or both.

Or just tiny rocks.

Look to the historical references, take a page right out of history! There's a decent series of historical documentaries called The Flintstones that portrays a modern stone age family. This obviously takes place many years before the time period of Calradia, so the technology would be known.

Anyways in this Flintstones show, men are depicted shaving using a bee trapped in a clamshell. It's so obvious when you think about it.

Few people in the show have beards, but most have an almost permanent five-o'clock shadow leading me to believe that the bee and clam razor wasn't 100% effective. That would explain why people would look half-shorn in Bannerlord. Especially if the bee escaped, she'd be pretty angry.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by CEPHY:

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Why do I always get the freak errors?

Please show me some screen shots of your eye brows....... that sounds so weird.

Well I don't have any screenshots but I can promise you that my eyebrows all look normal. Some seem a little... small compared to the rest of the face, but overall they look completely normal.

The only reason I can think of why you might be having this issue is corrupted files.
Perhaps your savegame is from an older game version, or perhaps your install got messed up and you'd need to reinstall.

EDIT: I've also heard that, if you go below a certain setting, faces will get really messed up. So unless you're playing on max settings, that could also be the issue.

All my settings are on maximum except for shadows ,dynamic lighting, and post processing.

[flyingscot1066]

It's from getting beaned with Looters' rocks.

[Distant ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥]

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Originally posted by Goatman:

No mod, the eyebrows are normal in everyone's game. It's a problem on your side.

Why do I always get the freak errors?

Please show me some screen shots of your eye brows....... that sounds so weird.

Sorry for a late reply, here you go:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007435
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007772
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007809
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007870
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551008002
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551008090

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by Goatman:

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Why do I always get the freak errors?

Please show me some screen shots of your eye brows....... that sounds so weird.

Sorry for a late reply, here you go:
...

Try turning down your graphics options to get to potato-mode and disable dynamic hair, then take a screenshot. That should reduce the hair population to next-to-nothing, leaving only clumps of guide hairs.

[EmotionallyBroken]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by Goatman:

Sorry for a late reply, here you go:
...

dynamic hair,

What now? I dont think ive ever seen anything like that..... and I certainly wouldnt consider eyebrows "hair" anywhere near long enough to make "dynamic"
Ive seen cloth simulation? maybe if I turn that off?

Originally posted by Goatman:

Originally posted by EmotionallyBroken:

Why do I always get the freak errors?

Please show me some screen shots of your eye brows....... that sounds so weird.

Sorry for a late reply, here you go:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007435
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007772
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007809
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551007870
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551008002
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2551008090

thanks, some of them look a little short, but none of them on level Ive seen on the worst examples. Most of them look normal.