Besides Cain, God and 2nd gen, are there anything else that could match a Antediluvian in a match?

[Slim_Cognito]

Besides Cain, God, and the 2nd generation of vampires, are there anything else in the world of darkness that could rival a Antediluvian in a match?

[Touch of Oblivion]

A mummy would wipe the floor with an Antediluvian. Powerful demons, mages, and perhaps a very old, experienced pack of werewolves if they got the jump on the Antediluvians.

[Slim_Cognito]

Publicado originalmente por Obtenebris:

A mummy would wipe the floor with an Antediluvian. Powerful demons, mages, and perhaps a very old, experienced pack of werewolves if they got the jump on the Antediluvians.

Whoa a mummy kicking a extremely ancient and godlike vampire's ass? Mummies in WoD must be OP as hell than. Do Mummies have ranks like the vampires? or are most mummies this op already?

[Touch of Oblivion]

Mummies are OP as hell from what little I remember of them. They were meant to wake up and save the world from the end times(Gehenna, the apocalypse, whatever the other gamelines called it) but they woke up too late...but power-wise they were capable of saving the world, even if that meant stopping Caine and the Antediluvians and numerous other big bad monster things.

[Pusheen Collective]

It depends on which Antediluvian, but yeah, mummies are hella broken. Earthbound could do it, but that's not better. Your best bet would be to either use the Mummy power Nomenclature to erase them from existence, or drag them to the living silver lake in Erebus while stabbing them with the crystal sword the real Brujah antediluvian is stuck in.

[Anvos]

Wait what? How can there power be known if they don't awaken until the world is already over?

Also that seems hard to believe they could be more powerful than Cain or Lillith when those two are aparently in uper demigod tiers of power.

[The vintage feeling]

Why are you asking, Childe?
Do you have any particular antediluvian in mind? Tell your fellow childer of the Night, because many of us are looking for some good old diablerie!

[neorogueshadows]

This was in the Gehenna supplement. I am going from memory, but the memory doesn't really need to be super accurate.

"Any Discipline 10: Plot Device."

A character with 10 ranks in a Discipline can do pretty much anything you could even loosely relate to the Discipline. Fortitude 10: live at the center of the Earth. Celerity 10: Dodge sunlight. Potence 10: punch a mountain in half. Thaumaturgy 10: Anything a Mage can do, you can do. Obtenebration 10: The entire world forgets you exist. Presence 10: The entire world worships the ground you walk on.

Every single Antediluvian save Giovanni and perhaps Tremere had at least one Discipline at rank 10. There is LITERALLY nothing that can stop them until you get to things that don't even use the Storyteller system in the first place.

So Caine (who has only one rule: "you lose." But I'm a Mage with blah blah points in blah blah spheres! Doesn't matter. You lose) and God. That's it.

[unIQue]

cain would surely kick butt. also anderson and boyarsky.
(design>art>code)

[Plisken]

i see a lot of players making this mistake.

Antideluvians, monstruous ancient vampires, even Cain as the first vampire, it was all suposed to be a mistery, nobody knows if they exists or not, its up to each player to believe in it or not.
Even the bloodline main campain is a direct reference to that doubt.

Just like christianity, some people believe in creationism, some people dont, the bible tells stories, its up to you to believe or not. Its not a list of facts, its another mistery element to drive a vampire campaign.

The certainty of such things kinda ruins a huge part of the game.
You end up playing dragonball with fangs.

[Touch of Oblivion]

Publicado originalmente por Th0R:

i see a lot of players making this mistake.

Antideluvians, monstruous ancient vampires, even Cain as the first vampire, it was all suposed to be a mistery, nobody knows if they exists or not, its up to each player to believe in it or not.
Even the bloodline main campain is a direct reference to that doubt.

Just like christianity, some people believe in creationism, some people dont, the bible tells stories, its up to you to believe or not. Its not a list of facts, its another mistery element to drive a vampire campaign.

The certainty of such things kinda ruins a huge part of the game.
You end up playing dragonball with fangs.

"What does the Scouter say about his blood level?!"

"IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANND!"

[unIQue]

Publicado originalmente por Th0R:

i see a lot of players making this mistake.

Antideluvians, monstruous ancient vampires, even Cain as the first vampire, it was all suposed to be a mistery, nobody knows if they exists or not, its up to each player to believe in it or not.
Even the bloodline main campain is a direct reference to that doubt.

Just like christianity, some people believe in creationism, some people dont, the bible tells stories, its up to you to believe or not. Its not a list of facts, its another mistery element to drive a vampire campaign.

The certainty of such things kinda ruins a huge part of the game.
You end up playing dragonball with fangs.

as far as i know lorewise the antediluvians (including here caine and the 2nd gen) do exist. there are speculations about their nature or individual fate but few deny their existence and even fewer believe in the truth of their own denial. final nights, gehenna - those are up to personal (or rather clan/sect) belief. as a player one can choose to believe in the ancients or not but that doesnt alter the fact that they are part of the lore.

[Anvos]

Actually I believe this was one of the side reasons for the reboot since in VtM god, the orgin of vamprism and antedeluvians were known and there wasn't much room for debate though your average supernatural didn't know for sure.

Though the fact that the reason why people forget and don't know for sure in the reboot is rather ridiculous since it assumes nobody ever heard of pen and paper (or other time apropriate means of writing) or having one of their minions as a chronicler or something to fill them in on who they were when they awaken.