Doubts about the Ultimate Mod

[LastDefender]

I don't have any technical problem with this game. I could probably play it without any patch but for what I understand the Ultimate Mod should make this game better and a bit harder, since there are more buildings and a deeper economy.
But, is that true? I read somewhere that this mod is bugged and not well balanced.
If you play this mod, please let me know what you think of it!

[biepbot]

I've played it a little while with the Ultimate mod. I've got more hours into the base game, so take my word with a little bit of salt.

In my experience, multiplying your unit count in a group (the "X army size" mod in the Ultimate Mod) ruins a lot of balance in the game. Peasants become significantly stronger and cavalry suddenly turn rather.. useless.

I've also noticed that you tend to get rebels MUCH quicker, which is a huge nuisance. Not sure if it's because of the 1.05 patch included, but you end up with -50 war exhaustion and no bonuses from won battles in region. More rebels = more rebels, even if you destroy them.

And yeah there's a few bugs. The UI is.. off, the tutorial no longer works and they replaced a bunch of default sound tracks in the game. With the UI being off I mean that if you, for example, select marshall skills, the menu for it is all the way to the left of the screen.

They did add a deeper economy. Afaik in the installer you got several options (including for army) for mods. DoG (Dusk of Glory) is the one I picked, and that one is good even on its own. I do like the new buildings they added, just not really the rest.

[LastDefender]

Originally posted by Waspu:

I've played it a little while with the Ultimate mod. I've got more hours into the base game, so take my word with a little bit of salt.

In my experience, multiplying your unit count in a group (the "X army size" mod in the Ultimate Mod) ruins a lot of balance in the game. Peasants become significantly stronger and cavalry suddenly turn rather.. useless.

I've also noticed that you tend to get rebels MUCH quicker, which is a huge nuisance. Not sure if it's because of the 1.05 patch included, but you end up with -50 war exhaustion and no bonuses from won battles in region. More rebels = more rebels, even if you destroy them.

And yeah there's a few bugs. The UI is.. off, the tutorial no longer works and they replaced a bunch of default sound tracks in the game. With the UI being off I mean that if you, for example, select marshall skills, the menu for it is all the way to the left of the screen.

They did add a deeper economy. Afaik in the installer you got several options (including for army) for mods. DoG (Dusk of Glory) is the one I picked, and that one is good even on its own. I do like the new buildings they added, just not really the rest.

Thank you Waspu for sharing.
About the "X army size" I think it would be nice X2, not more.
The deeper economy and added buildings are what interest me the most.
Also, I'm happy you didn't find any major bug.

[LastDefender]

Originally posted by LuckyPhil:

I am using it now. It definitely makes for a faster paced game.

Really? I thought it was the exact opposite.
Man, dunno what to do. I don't want to download stuff that I will not use.

[garnsfam]

I still cant get the screen right as the right side is cut off even with the ultimate mod

[LastDefender]

Originally posted by garnsfam:

I still cant get the screen right as the right side is cut off even with the ultimate mod

Maybe you could try to change your screen's resolution from desktop.

[ViciousV]

Ruins the balance.Actually, every KoH mod does that.Base game is the perfect medium that you are looking for.We know it could have been better, but oh well.Sequel is coming soon so we all will be getting a newer, better KoH and definitely one that can be modded in much better and easier way than the previous one.

[GrafLaudan]

Balancing is perfect if the AI think same the real player. But the AI is stupid. All the games in the industry have the same problem. If i have a big kingdom so can the AI conquer easy my realms if the AI think same the player. But mostly the AI choose everytime the same realm to conquer. I hope the next Knights of Honor do it better.
I hope for a big online PvP gaming .

[ViciousV]

Every AI system will always have its limitations, simply because it won't be made to develop anything on its own out of the set boundaries.

I think the biggest problem of AI in original KOH was that they burned bridges too fast.You can simply grow yourself slowly and eliminate kingdom after kingdom, as soon as they ruin their relationships with other kingdoms and become hated.Not only do you conquer them without facing any more enemies, but your kingdom also gains respect among others and improves relationships as a result.You could follow this chain of low resistance till the very end.

However, lets be honest.That was like what, 2005 or so, game was still amazing to have such system.How many games have we seen on the market with such diplomatic system in place?
I am also excited to see what will the sequel bring to the plate in regards to the diplomacy, relationships and the way AI handles them.

[LastDefender]

Originally posted by ViciousV:

Ruins the balance.Actually, every KoH mod does that.Base game is the perfect medium that you are looking for.We know it could have been better, but oh well.Sequel is coming soon so we all will be getting a newer, better KoH and definitely one that can be modded in much better and easier way than the previous one.

So you think I should just play vanilla?

[ViciousV]

Originally posted by LastDefender:

Originally posted by ViciousV:

Ruins the balance.Actually, every KoH mod does that.Base game is the perfect medium that you are looking for.We know it could have been better, but oh well.Sequel is coming soon so we all will be getting a newer, better KoH and definitely one that can be modded in much better and easier way than the previous one.

So you think I should just play vanilla?

Absolutely.

The only mods I actually could recommend are the one that just affects the resolution (and NOTHING else!) and the world map mod, only because of the size.Keep in mind that mod also has same issues like any other, but my only satisfaction in it was the size of the map.

[GrafLaudan]

Originally posted by LastDefender:

Originally posted by ViciousV:

Ruins the balance.Actually, every KoH mod does that.Base game is the perfect medium that you are looking for.We know it could have been better, but oh well.Sequel is coming soon so we all will be getting a newer, better KoH and definitely one that can be modded in much better and easier way than the previous one.

So you think I should just play vanilla?

Play first the original Knights of Honor with or without HD Mod only. Later you can try out the other mods.
All my mods have the same difficulty level.

Here you see one of my mods in action.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLL8Tm-oX21Inw_4guS0ds5n7jmu91p9Z
Currently I play the Kingdom of Scotland with the SteamVersion Knights of Honor and with the Mod OrientandOccident180919 in game speed 4 and the difficulty Hard.

[LastDefender]

Originally posted by GrafLaudan:

Originally posted by LastDefender:

So you think I should just play vanilla?

Play first the original Knights of Honor with or without HD Mod only. Later you can try out the other mods.
All my mods have the same difficulty level.

Here you see one of my mods in action.


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLL8Tm-oX21Inw_4guS0ds5n7jmu91p9Z
Currently I play the Kingdom of Scotland with the SteamVersion Knights of Honor and with the Mod OrientandOccident180919 in game speed 4 and the difficulty Hard.

As I said I don't have problems with resolution. The game seems to work just fine for me.
Thank you for the playlist, so I can give a look.

[ViciousV]

Just play the original game.Use HD to get the higher resolution and that's all you will need. In terms of gameplay, there's no existing mod that will bring improvement in regards to that.