PSVR2 is so much better than Quest 3 its not even funny....

[mckracken]

I have compared them:
Q3 colors are DULL, the contrast is POOR, the blacks are milky GREY not black....
It is shocking (no exaggeration) how much richer AND brighter the image from OLED is.
PSVR2 has less corner sharpness but its not really something where you go wow thats much better on the Q3, when you compare them. Besides your vision will be focused in the center area, so this is not really a strength for the Q3.

Lastly i consider going wireless not a plus, because of latency, compression artifacts and even WORSE black levels. Besides only newbies do room scale, you will get even tired of standing when you have longer game sessions. Im using a pulley for the cable, for me that is a non issue.

[mckracken]

I was wrong, depending on the game blacks can be turned off like on oled tvs.
but it's black and not milky grey like on the Quest.

Black level is most important for games with night / space settings. As for daytime stuff, you will also benefit a lot from the greatly increased contrast compared to LCD.

[pRogz]

Publicado originalmente por mckracken:

VR OLED black level dont reach TV levels and there is a mura effect if you look for it....
but it's black and not milky grey like on the Quest.

Black level is most important for games with night / space settings. As for daytime stuff, you will also benefit a lot from the greatly increased contrast compared to LCD.

This is a lie. They 100% are completely BLACK. Have you even used the PSVR2?

[tyl0413]

The state of VR is really sad honestly, when it was first announced i'd thought there be a ton of different choices for fair prices by now meanwhile we're stuck with 5 year old $1000 Index (no doubt the best and only choice if you're willing to pay up for it), random no name chinese crap or selling your soul to facebook (blows my mind how this is the most popular option) also not to mention post-Quest every new VR app is targeting the garbage built-in hardware of the Quest and other clones, there are no PC-first headsets or apps anymore for VR because suckerberg had to come in to ♥♥♥♥ it all up and everyone fell for it. Nobody is going to walk around with VR on like its nothing, if you actually believe or want that to happen just seek help immediately.
I do not want to pay more than $500 for the headset, I do not want half of that cost to be wasted on some ♥♥♥♥ mobile tier CPU from a decade ago when I have a real PC, I want a standalone native SteamVR headset not like the Windows garbage that requires extra drivers that require Windows and will be discontinued by the manufacturer when it flops rendering all the headsets useless. Why is this so much to ask for?

Good to see the PSVR2 finally coming to PC, even tho it still seems like its gonna need an extra driver, its not SteamVR native, its gonna be Windows only, still costs ~$700 in my region and apparently half the extra features of the headset won't even work but I guess its still below $1000 and does not fund marks plan for world domination further so I guess thats a step in the right direction? Still 10 steps back compared to the initial SteamVR launch..
Cmon Valve make an Index Lite already.

[Kondiq]

Publicado originalmente por tyl0413:

The state of VR is really sad honestly, when it was first announced i'd thought there be a ton of different choices for fair prices by now meanwhile we're stuck with 5 year old $1000 Index (no doubt the best and only choice if you're willing to pay up for it), random no name chinese crap or selling your soul to facebook (blows my mind how this is the most popular option) also not to mention post-Quest every new VR app is targeting the garbage built-in hardware of the Quest and other clones, there are no PC-first headsets or apps anymore for VR because suckerberg had to come in to ♥♥♥♥ it all up and everyone fell for it. Nobody is going to walk around with VR on like its nothing, if you actually believe or want that to happen just seek help immediately.
I do not want to pay more than $500 for the headset, I do not want half of that cost to be wasted on some ♥♥♥♥ mobile tier CPU from a decade ago when I have a real PC, I want a standalone native SteamVR headset not like the Windows garbage that requires extra drivers that require Windows and will be discontinued by the manufacturer when it flops rendering all the headsets useless. Why is this so much to ask for?

Good to see the PSVR2 finally coming to PC, even tho it still seems like its gonna need an extra driver, its not SteamVR native, its gonna be Windows only, still costs ~$700 in my region and apparently half the extra features of the headset won't even work but I guess its still below $1000 and does not fund marks plan for world domination further so I guess thats a step in the right direction? Still 10 steps back compared to the initial SteamVR launch..
Cmon Valve make an Index Lite already.

I think Pimax Crystal Light is the closest to what you're looking for.

[Creagen]

Did everyone just up and forget about the Valve Index? PsVr is crap and will always be crap. This is just a lame cash grab so they can sell crappy PsVr games on steam and guess what crappy headset will be exclusive to those PsVr games. Not The Index!

[tyl0413]

Publicado originalmente por Creagen:

Did everyone just up and forget about the Valve Index? PsVr is crap and will always be crap. This is just a lame cash grab so they can sell crappy PsVr games on steam and guess what crappy headset will be exclusive to those PsVr games. Not The Index!

Its 5 years old, $1000 and some of the PSVR2's specs are better for half the price.

[Jerricky Jebates]

Publicado originalmente por tyl0413:

Publicado originalmente por Creagen:

Did everyone just up and forget about the Valve Index? PsVr is crap and will always be crap. This is just a lame cash grab so they can sell crappy PsVr games on steam and guess what crappy headset will be exclusive to those PsVr games. Not The Index!

Its 5 years old, $1000 and some of the PSVR2's specs are better for half the price.

closer to a quarter of the price, i got mine brand new at target for 350.

[pRogz]

Publicado originalmente por Creagen:

Did everyone just up and forget about the Valve Index? PsVr is crap and will always be crap. This is just a lame cash grab so they can sell crappy PsVr games on steam and guess what crappy headset will be exclusive to those PsVr games. Not The Index!

I have the Valve Index and tried the PSVR2. The PSVR2 is good for the price. You cannot really find something better for the price they are offering it at. Yeah the valve index is the premium headset (144hz, base station tracking, best VR controllers), but dont just not down the PSVR2. You should be glad that they are bringing the PSVR2 to SteamVR, that gives more people choice and making VR gaming bigger and cheaper for PCVR.

[RetroSimon]

Publicado originalmente por pRogz:

Publicado originalmente por mckracken:

VR OLED black level dont reach TV levels and there is a mura effect if you look for it....
but it's black and not milky grey like on the Quest.

Black level is most important for games with night / space settings. As for daytime stuff, you will also benefit a lot from the greatly increased contrast compared to LCD.

This is a lie. They 100% are completely BLACK. Have you even used the PSVR2?

Yes. RE4 REMAKE VR proves this. Block the flashlight in some of the truly dark rooms and you get a pitch black image/ no light image. It depends on the game. Yes there is mura but depending on the mfg date of the headset it varies wildly. Mine has very faint mura a 1000% better than the old PSVR headset.

[potato]

I have Quest3, i tried PSVR 2 and this post is nonsense. I could never go back to ♥♥♥♥ Fresnel lens that are on PSVR 2. The difference in Fresnel vs Pancake lens is huge and clarity is so much better.

On Q3 with pancake lens clarity is EVERYWHERE,while on PSVR2 its just in the middle

[mckracken]

but you dont need it everywhere LOL, clarity is important in the center to 2/3 of the screen.
Psvr2 does that.
Extreme corner sharpness is a gimmick. Because you will almost always focus your vision in the center area.

[mckracken]

Publicado originalmente por RetroSimon:

Publicado originalmente por pRogz:

This is a lie. They 100% are completely BLACK. Have you even used the PSVR2?

Yes. RE4 REMAKE VR proves this. Block the flashlight in some of the truly dark rooms and you get a pitch black image/ no light image. It depends on the game. Yes there is mura but depending on the mfg date of the headset it varies wildly. Mine has very faint mura a 1000% better than the old PSVR headset.

just playing madison vr and yes, this one also goes completely black (turns off pixels)
before that the games i played didnt feature that, so i thought TV oled black is superior...

[Monky Games]

Publicado originalmente por Klik:

I have Quest3, i tried PSVR 2 and this post is nonsense. I could never go back to ♥♥♥♥ Fresnel lens that are on PSVR 2. The difference in Fresnel vs Pancake lens is huge and clarity is so much better.

On Q3 with pancake lens clarity is EVERYWHERE,while on PSVR2 its just in the middle

Quest 3 has the following limitations

* LCD - color bleed, back lighting - means no true blacks
* Fixed Foveated Rendering - means the edges will be lower res than the middle bc no eye tracking
* No direct PC connection - means latency and compression from PC
* Battery - limits play length
* No headset haptics
* No adaptive triggers
* No headband - terrible headstrap that is a joke really

If you want to replace your mobile phone, than sure get a quest.

However if you want the best gaming headset, than PSVR2 is it.

Fresnel lenses are good especially when paired with OLED.

[FreddieForever#1]

Publicado originalmente por Monky Games:

Publicado originalmente por Klik:

I have Quest3, i tried PSVR 2 and this post is nonsense. I could never go back to ♥♥♥♥ Fresnel lens that are on PSVR 2. The difference in Fresnel vs Pancake lens is huge and clarity is so much better.

On Q3 with pancake lens clarity is EVERYWHERE,while on PSVR2 its just in the middle

Quest 3 has the following limitations

* LCD - color bleed, back lighting - means no true blacks
* Fixed Foveated Rendering - means the edges will be lower res than the middle bc no eye tracking
* No direct PC connection - means latency and compression from PC
* Battery - limits play length
* No headset haptics
* No adaptive triggers
* No headband - terrible headstrap that is a joke really

If you want to replace your mobile phone, than sure get a quest.

However if you want the best gaming headset, than PSVR2 is it.

Fresnel lenses are good especially when paired with OLED.

what about the immersion breaking mura?

[mckracken]

this guy has openly admitted that he doesnt have a psvr2...
he had been whining about mura for MONTHS prior to that...I really wouldnt take him seriously.