BEWARE Spoiler... Endings of Road to Gehenna :(

[Hiki Neet*]

So, I have now completed Road to Gehenna.


What to say? A masterpiece. Uriel_Copy is truly the greatest hero, huh?
His heroic spirit is shining so bright, that I cant help but to be curious...

Is there really no way to safe him as well?

Alltough im fine with Uriel being so heroic to stay behind, its really sad to know he is actually and maybe the only Childandroid to lose survival in Soma/Talos, even though he did the most and his best to rescue the Gehenna community from a unnecessary and irrational end.


Im kinda glad because I didnt found the way to convince "Admin" for the upload and I thought that I fu**ed up somewhere in the middle of the DLC or something... but then I tried different version to convince him to join his community and be safed along with the way he carved for all of them.

Only Uriel_Copy "dies" as sole hero of the process. :(

An ending in which you dont free Admin.
Another one in which you free Admin and you convince him to stay behind.
Yet another one in which you both stay behind and are not dying a lonely death.
And then finally the one where you end his attitude and convince him to being uploaded even though he himself is not perfect.


But Uriel and Admin cannot be safed both?
Or am I just too stupid/blind to find this ending?

Where is my happy end? Is there none? I still have 6 stars left! : <

[Gwynhwyfara]

As far as I've seen, there is not an ending in which you can save both Uriel and Admin.

[Hiki Neet*]

Then safing Admin is the way to go I think.

Uriel_Copy is as the name proofs a copy of the sleeping Messenger Uriel.
That means to some extend Uriel is transcending.

Just the unique perspective of the saviour of Gehenna is going lost. :/
Of course the others know about him. But just the flat impression of what has truly been.
So sad.

[Adderhead]

I actually left us both to "die". It's just that feeling of both of us walking around as the world is ending and watching others ascend.


I just knew this:

Admin didn't deserve to ascend. He built a world and a network in which others could communicate inside Elohim's prison. He did that because he wanted to be loved, he did that for himself. And what if he escaped? Then this world would be just a tool of manipulation that he would then leave behind and never look back. If his world is dying so should he.

I didn't save myself because I wanted to see the world turn black, I wanted to hear those buzzing, static sounds and the world rotting in its last few seconds.

[Muzlu Süt]

Amazing game amazing DLC.. This game deserves more interest from gaming community..
Well i found all the stars and free the admin.. And i sacrificed myself for all the community (admin included) my mission is done. Remember me !

[Hiki Neet*]

I told them too to remember me. :)

Originally posted by Sir Adder_:

He did that because he wanted to be loved, he did that for himself. And what if he escaped?

Its actually physically and with this, psychologically IMPOSSIBLE to do something not for yourself. Its just impossible. You do it for your own vision and ambition in the world.
Even an act that is selfless on the surface.
Even if you would die for it.

Its technologically possible to do something against your wishes but you wouldnt like it, you would regret it the moment you do it and hate it, suffer automatically under the thing that goes against what you think should be.

But why would you do such a thing? I simply think people can only do this in being tricked and before they know it.
Because if you do something " that you dont want " willingly, even if you do it just so that you want to proof its possible to go against yourself...

... cause you wanted to proof it, it was still for yourself and for something you wanted to proof.

Selflessness is just an empty description of something you cannot archieve by yourself ever.

Admin was a normal guy. With flaws, with lack of something... and I dont hate him for it.
No one is perfect.

[skywalker]

Originally posted by Wudang:

Then safing Admin is the way to go I think.

Uriel_Copy is as the name proofs a copy of the sleeping Messenger Uriel.
That means to some extend Uriel is transcending.

Agree with you, the PA we played in the game was a copy of Uriel,so to free all the members in Gehenna including Admin is actually the happy ending.

[Vampseeker]

I found these two characters were both revealing just a little bit but never too much about themselves for me to be intrugued by both.

It wasn't just plain black and white very clever writing indeed.

"an epitage, wait a minute I don't wanna be...."

[ThatHomestar]

I was a little sad to not see what ascending actually did. Did we actually save ourselves? Go to a better place, like the outside world? Or were we permanently removed from ELOHIM's program? Were we right in doing what we did? Or was everyone actually better off in Gehenna?

I dunno about you guys but I like at least a little closure.

[Lucathegreat]

Well... Talos ending showed us what's the "ascension". Every piece of data converged into the new being in the real world, the Process is over, the simulation fulfilled its purpose. Gehenna is just a sidestory taking place while Talos main character was approaching the end, so he'll probably know everything they knew, just like us.
Imho TTP can also be seen as kinda metaphoric in terms of fourth wall, meaning we players are the main character, we fulfilled the Process, and everything the AI of Gehenna ever did will keep living on inside us, because we know what they were like, what they created and so on, so they aren't forgotten.

[MSS47]

Originally posted by skywalker:

Originally posted by Wudang:

Then safing Admin is the way to go I think.

Uriel_Copy is as the name proofs a copy of the sleeping Messenger Uriel.
That means to some extend Uriel is transcending.

Agree with you, the PA we played in the game was a copy of Uriel,so to free all the members in Gehenna including Admin is actually the happy ending.

But if you take ELOHIM's words into account at the start where he said that he regrets that he is sending you there to "undo his mistake", he said "What I ask of you, my beloved messenger, is a terrible sacrifice " This shows that Uriel is being asked to sacrifice something for freeing them. And by 'terrible' sacrifice, he probably means himself. The way I see it is- certainly this is a copy of Uriel but his consciousness is being insufflated in this copy and if this copy dies, Uriel's consciousness, that is himself, stays behind. That's the only sacrifice possible. This also makes sense for the 'Remember me' last message.

So there are no happy endings- unless you try to convince the admin to stay behind if you judge that his actions were bad enough for him to deserve this fate. Or if you think that he could continue try to manipulate others if he ascends on the other side. Or you could show forgiveness and let him ascend believing that he would change. The ending is all up to you and that makes the beauty of this game. It's all on what you think is best. And everyone has his own opinion.

As for me, I chose to die as a hero and send the 'Remember me' message. I thought that this sacrifice of myself could change the admin's mindset and make him use his high potential for the betterment of the society.

[skywalker]

Originally posted by MSS47:

Originally posted by skywalker:

Agree with you, the PA we played in the game was a copy of Uriel,so to free all the members in Gehenna including Admin is actually the happy ending.

But if you take ELOHIM's words into account at the start where he said that he regrets that he is sending you there to "undo his mistake", he said "What I ask of you, my beloved messenger, is a terrible sacrifice " This shows that Uriel is being asked to sacrifice something for freeing them. And by 'terrible' sacrifice, he probably means himself. The way I see it is- certainly this is a copy of Uriel but his consciousness is being insufflated in this copy and if this copy dies, Uriel's consciousness, that is himself, stays behind. That's the only sacrifice possible. This also makes sense for the 'Remember me' last message.

So there are no happy endings- unless you try to convince the admin to stay behind if you judge that his actions were bad enough for him to deserve this fate. Or if you think that he could continue try to manipulate others if he ascends on the other side. Or you could show forgiveness and let him ascend believing that he would change. The ending is all up to you and that makes the beauty of this game. It's all on what you think is best. And everyone has his own opinion.

As for me, I chose to die as a hero and send the 'Remember me' message. I thought that this sacrifice of myself could change the admin's mindset and make him use his high potential for the betterment of the society.

I rethought what I said and referred to your reasoning after which I suppose your conclusion on "So there are no happy endings" is more reasonable. But besides what you mentioned ,I also see it in this another way that I suppose there are no happy endings because the sacrifice of this copy of Uriel is inevitable although the original Uriel may stay intact.

I no longer simply regard him as a lifeless digital child program, but a person with selfhood and soul. So even though he was originally a copy of the foremost messenger, he started to become another individual person ever since he entered Gehenna, where he experienced a lot more than the original Uriel and all this experience made him distinct from the original one.

If there is clone of me, then he is actully another distinct person who is not me, though we share a lot in common.So if we treat the copy of Uriel we played as a person rather than a program, there are no happy endings.

[MSS47]

Originally posted by skywalker:

Originally posted by MSS47:

But if you take ELOHIM's words into account at the start where he said that he regrets that he is sending you there to "undo his mistake", he said "What I ask of you, my beloved messenger, is a terrible sacrifice " This shows that Uriel is being asked to sacrifice something for freeing them. And by 'terrible' sacrifice, he probably means himself. The way I see it is- certainly this is a copy of Uriel but his consciousness is being insufflated in this copy and if this copy dies, Uriel's consciousness, that is himself, stays behind. That's the only sacrifice possible. This also makes sense for the 'Remember me' last message.

So there are no happy endings- unless you try to convince the admin to stay behind if you judge that his actions were bad enough for him to deserve this fate. Or if you think that he could continue try to manipulate others if he ascends on the other side. Or you could show forgiveness and let him ascend believing that he would change. The ending is all up to you and that makes the beauty of this game. It's all on what you think is best. And everyone has his own opinion.

As for me, I chose to die as a hero and send the 'Remember me' message. I thought that this sacrifice of myself could change the admin's mindset and make him use his high potential for the betterment of the society.

I rethought what I said and referred to your reasoning after which I suppose your conclusion on "So there are no happy endings" is more reasonable. But besides what you mentioned ,I also see it in this another way that I suppose there are no happy endings because the sacrifice of this copy of Uriel is inevitable although the original Uriel may stay intact.

I no longer simply regard him as a lifeless digital child program, but a person with selfhood and soul. So even though he was originally a copy of the foremost messenger, he started to become another individual person ever since he entered Gehenna, where he experienced a lot more than the original Uriel and all this experience made him distinct from the original one.

If there is clone of me, then he is actully another distinct person who is not me, though we share a lot in common.So if we treat the copy of Uriel we played as a person rather than a program, there are no happy endings.

That's another beautiful facet of the game. It evolved and ended in a way where it is open to everyone to have his own conclusion. You may be right as I may also be right. You immediately see the effort and passion which the devs invested in it. (Not like junk COD that comes out every year)

Yea, you may be right but I tend to think that Uriel has only one consciousness (or one soul if you prefer) which can be incorporated in different copies since the original Uriel is sleeping in the rocky tombs. Else ELOHIM would not be talking of a ' terrible ' sacrifice. Sacrificing a clone is a sacrifice. But sacrificing the person himself is indeed a terrible sacrifice. This conclusion makes the game more dramatic and deep in the sense that he is willing to sacrifice one of his 'beloved' messengers who chose to devote their existence to serving him for correcting his mistake of unjustly imprisoning the child programs in Gehenna. But of course, that's my opinion and I respect yours. :)

[Hiki Neet*]

Originally posted by skywalker:

If there is clone of me, then he is actully another distinct person who is not me, though we share a lot in common.So if we treat the copy of Uriel we played as a person rather than a program, there are no happy endings.

One of the Childprogram is not getting transfered like on a Computerstick before you trash your Computer, that is what is gonna happen. Im not sure if they are aware of this but "we" should be. ;)

Of course its possible to restore even deleted Data, cause its simply scattered and scrambled in the system, but its not easy and its a very timeconsuming process. I did this once and without knowing how it was BEFORE..., I would have not been able to get it done.
I guess Milton could do it if you do not delete him. He is the Masterarchivist after all. Even if he is an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. :D

A Copy is superior to a Clone I think. A Clone is empty. Has no knowledge. Also its a physical thing, a living being and of course an existence that shares only the physical build of another being.

Copys are digital and are 1 to 1 a perfect replication of what was until the moment of when the copying began. So of course Uriel_Copy remembers everything of what the original Uriel has done to this point,
he could continue his journey in an awake state unlike the original Uriel, but of course everything ends up as scrambled & scattered data on hardware that may never be reassembled ever again.

His individual experience of the original Uriel and his own, unique journey through the disappearing startingzone and everything he experienced in Gehenna.
Well I comfort myself with the though that this is what Uriel_Copy had wanted. : /

To be the one who makes the sacrifice. Cause Uriel was smart. He knew what would happend and how it would end I think. He was a kind and devoted version who seeked the salvation of others more then anything.
Which is why I think he would sacrifice himself for Admin, even when Admin disapproves or devalues himself or what he had done to this point in time.

Its not a happy ending but its the best 'happy ending' possible I guess.
May Admin come to learn how to appreciate again as one of the many personalitys in Soma/Talos.
Or as ' the One ' if Soma/Talos is not a shizophren Android. ^_^

[skywalker]

Originally posted by Wudang:

To be the one who makes the sacrifice. Cause Uriel was smart. He knew what would happend and how it would end I think. He was a kind and devoted version who seeked the salvation of others more then anything.
Which is why I think he would sacrifice himself for Admin, even when Admin disapproves or devalues himself or what he had done to this point in time.

Its not a happy ending but its the best 'happy ending' possible I guess.
May Admin come to learn how to appreciate again as one of the many personalitys in Soma/Talos.
Or as ' the One ' if Soma/Talos is not a shizophren Android. ^_^

It's true that a clone is not the perfect analogy of a copy, though it's the best and most realistic one in biological aspect I could come up with.

I remember that during a chat with one of the members in Gehenna community, he mentioned that Admin was actually a former messenger just like Uriel, but the story behind Admin's betrayal was not detailed, which really made me wonder a lot more stories behind this simulation.

I suppose the purpose of freeing all of the androids in Gehenna was not only one kind of salvation(undoing Elohim' mistake) but also preservation, preserving all the androids' memory , personality, and consciousness, or we may say their "hunman spirits", their life, with those being the most precious legacy of the Soma/Talos project. I guess that's why I freed Admin too,and the sacrifice of Uriel_Copy ,no matter whether he shared the only consciousness of the original one like MSS47 mentioned or is distinct from the original one, is undoubtedly a loss and pity.

At the end of the story, both the main game and the DLC, the process these androids, including the one player played who reached the top of the tower, the ones Uriel_Copy freed in Gehenna, and perhaps even The Shepherd, Samsara and so many others, experienced was called "transcendence" . This is a specific word worth mentioning , not "ascension" or simply "rise".I suppose besides religionary and philosophical meaning of "transcendence", it also has another meaning that in recent year often mentioned by Transhumanism, as "mind uploading".

Thus the project ended up with not just one who push the button but all transcended spirits in this one Soma/Talos unit. He(it?) could be a living being beyond my comprehension.

[Mgaak]

Okay cool and great but why nobody is discussing that we all got 4 (ok thats a lot for contemporary games) different ending but none of them had any... visuals ? WHY OMG.

I finished the game without freeing Admin and I got black screen ending. I thought "surely, I gotta free him to get normal ending" then I got him and what ? Black screen again ! I thought this must be a bug but I checked youtube and everyone got the same !

WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF whyyyyyyyyy what happens after Ascension ?
The vague Elohim explanation is not enough for me. Im sad and furious, havent felt like that since Aeris died.