Shield-Weaver armour

[Gisborne]

So I'm lvl 25, started the quest, got the 2 power cells needed, get to Armour... need 3 more power cells, look up guide and basically don't get the last cell till n ear end of the game... so whats the point in getting this Armour once the game is basically over? hate it when they do this. like rpgs where you get cool skill son the last mission of game then its over

[Mav99]

Well, that armor is still helpful in the final mission but you can also hold out on the Frozen Wilds where she Shield-Weaver will also be quite useful.
And you'd have it in a New Game+...

[acowsik]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

So I'm lvl 25, started the quest, got the 2 power cells needed, get to Armour... need 3 more power cells, look up guide and basically don't get the last cell till n ear end of the game... so whats the point in getting this Armour once the game is basically over? hate it when they do this. like rpgs where you get cool skill son the last mission of game then its over

I have seen guides where people glitch and get the armor early but that defeats the purpose of actually doing it legit when you are meant to obtain it which is at a later point in the story.

Having the most OP armor as early as possible to be able to cheese most of the game basically defeats the purpose of having some sort of challenge... just get it the normal way and then use it for end game and the frozen wilds DLC.

[the7thguest]

Positive side, in NG+ you can use it from first minute ^^

[Nekogod]

It's not balanced at all and unless you're playing on ultra hard it basically makes all damage trivial. Getting it any earlier would sap a lot of fun and challenge out of the game, there are 2 more missions after you get it and potentially a bunch of side content if you haven't already done it like the cauldrons etc and the frozen wilds dlc and new game+ so it can get a decent amount of use.

[acowsik]

Originally posted by Nekogod:

It's not balanced at all and unless you're playing on ultra hard it basically makes all damage trivial. Getting it any earlier would sap a lot of fun and challenge out of the game, there are 2 more missions after you get it and potentially a bunch of side content if you haven't already done it like the cauldrons etc and the frozen wilds dlc and new game+ so it can get a decent amount of use.

For the DLC it is definitely very useful cos the machines deal a ton load of damage otherwise... moreover you can do the entirety of the DLC just before you are due to do the final story quest assuming you have done everything else in the main story and have 99% progress.

[acowsik]

Originally posted by the7thguest:

Positive side, in NG+ you can use it from first minute ^^

Yeah and it made NG+ on ultra hard literally a joke... I was able to speedrun through the story just to get the last 3 achievements in a matter of like 10 hrs.

I had the true ultra hard experience on my NG playthrough instead where I achieved 100% stats completion. This is the real challenge of dealing with OP machines and super expensive costs for items. Eventhough you can change the difficulty even on UH (in NG), that is another cheese that you should not do to be true to yourself.

[Mav99]

Originally posted by acowsik:

Having the most OP armor as early as possible to be able to cheese most of the game

I think the word you're looking for is CHEAT, not cheese. That is something you might eat. ;)

And it might be shocking for you, but not everyone is looking for an ultra hard challenge when playing a game. Some just play games for fun, to relax...

[Aemony]

Originally posted by acowsik:

Originally posted by the7thguest:

Positive side, in NG+ you can use it from first minute ^^

Yeah and it made NG+ on ultra hard literally a joke... I was able to speedrun through the story just to get the last 3 achievements in a matter of like 10 hrs.

Yeah, I was the same. Shield-Weaver + Explosive grenades = NG+ Ultra Hard becomes easy mode.

Hell, just to make this even clearer: first thing I did in this Remastered version was import my old NG+ Ultra Hard save that's made just before the final mission after you defeat the game. Then I went and played through that whole mission, without any kind of preparation or even reminder of how the hell the controls worked, and without stocking up on various loot that I really could've used, and I still ended up easily completing that mission -- way too easily IMHO.

Originally posted by acowsik:

I had the true ultra hard experience on my NG playthrough instead where I achieved 100% stats completion. This is the real challenge of dealing with OP machines and super expensive costs for items. Eventhough you can change the difficulty even on UH (in NG), that is another cheese that you should not do to be true to yourself.

Yup, I agree on this as well. Though since I don't want to subject myself to the merchant prices and aggressiveness of NG Ultra Hard, I ended up playing through the game on Very Hard instead.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by Aemony:

Originally posted by acowsik:

Yeah and it made NG+ on ultra hard literally a joke... I was able to speedrun through the story just to get the last 3 achievements in a matter of like 10 hrs.

Yeah, I was the same. Shield-Weaver + Explosive grenades = NG+ Ultra Hard becomes easy mode.

Hell, just to make this even clearer: first thing I did in this Remastered version was import my old NG+ Ultra Hard save that's made just before the final mission after you defeat the game. Then I went and played through that whole mission, without any kind of preparation or even reminder of how the hell the controls worked, and without stocking up on various loot that I really could've used, and I still ended up easily completing that mission -- way too easily IMHO.

Originally posted by acowsik:

I had the true ultra hard experience on my NG playthrough instead where I achieved 100% stats completion. This is the real challenge of dealing with OP machines and super expensive costs for items. Eventhough you can change the difficulty even on UH (in NG), that is another cheese that you should not do to be true to yourself.

Yup, I agree on this as well. Though since I don't want to subject myself to the merchant prices and aggressiveness of NG Ultra Hard, I ended up playing through the game on Very Hard instead.

what about the achievement lol? only reason to play it NG+ no?

[acowsik]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

Originally posted by Aemony:

Yeah, I was the same. Shield-Weaver + Explosive grenades = NG+ Ultra Hard becomes easy mode.

Hell, just to make this even clearer: first thing I did in this Remastered version was import my old NG+ Ultra Hard save that's made just before the final mission after you defeat the game. Then I went and played through that whole mission, without any kind of preparation or even reminder of how the hell the controls worked, and without stocking up on various loot that I really could've used, and I still ended up easily completing that mission -- way too easily IMHO.




Yup, I agree on this as well. Though since I don't want to subject myself to the merchant prices and aggressiveness of NG Ultra Hard, I ended up playing through the game on Very Hard instead.

what about the achievement lol? only reason to play it NG+ no?

I did both NG and NG+ on UH difficulty but only NG+ counts in this game. I wanted to experience the real challenge of how hard UH difficulty is and it is rough. Hunting grounds are quite challenging and the DLC is quite brutal.

On NG+ I skipped all side quests and just rushed through the main story quests alone as I had already done everything in the game on UH in my NG playthrough.

On HFW, u can do UH on NG or NG+ and get the achievement and I already have it unlocked after completing the main story on my NG playthrough.

[acowsik]

Originally posted by Mav99:

Originally posted by acowsik:

Having the most OP armor as early as possible to be able to cheese most of the game

I think the word you're looking for is CHEAT, not cheese. That is something you might eat. ;)

And it might be shocking for you, but not everyone is looking for an ultra hard challenge when playing a game. Some just play games for fun, to relax...

There is always story difficulty if you want to have a fun easy ride of the game and not suffer through it.

If you want to play on a higher difficulty, you need to be ready for what is coming and have that skill to handle it. Looking for cheap ass shortcuts to make things easy is cutting corners IMO and clearly indicates a skill issue.

[Gisborne]

I don't get why people play on easy and call it fun, imagine dark souls o messy mode where you couldn't die and 2 shotted bosses, horizon is all about the combat and shooting weak points, if it was just fsceroll I don't et why you'd bother, unless it's a super story focused game I'd just watch TV instead lol

[acowsik]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

I don't get why people play on easy and call it fun, imagine dark souls o messy mode where you couldn't die and 2 shotted bosses, horizon is all about the combat and shooting weak points, if it was just fsceroll I don't et why you'd bother, unless it's a super story focused game I'd just watch TV instead lol

If thats the case then why should you get early access to the armor that allows you to tank a hit with zero damage taken in the process... thats as good as using some kind of cheat code to unlock stuff.

On NG+ u have everything from the start... shield armor + all high tier weapons and coils which makes even playing on UH difficulty an absolute joke.

[Gisborne]

Originally posted by acowsik:

Originally posted by Gisborne:

I don't get why people play on easy and call it fun, imagine dark souls o messy mode where you couldn't die and 2 shotted bosses, horizon is all about the combat and shooting weak points, if it was just fsceroll I don't et why you'd bother, unless it's a super story focused game I'd just watch TV instead lol

If thats the case then why should you get early access to the armor that allows you to tank a hit with zero damage taken in the process... thats as good as using some kind of cheat code to unlock stuff.

On NG+ u have everything from the start... shield armor + all high tier weapons and coils which makes even playing on UH difficulty an absolute joke.

Tanks 1 hit? Has a recharge time? In a diff where NASIC enemies can 1 shot you? Hmmm hmmmmm hmmmmm hmmm hmmmmm hmmmmmmmm....
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[Nekogod]

Originally posted by Gisborne:

I don't get why people play on easy and call it fun, imagine dark souls o messy mode where you couldn't die and 2 shotted bosses, horizon is all about the combat and shooting weak points, if it was just fsceroll I don't et why you'd bother, unless it's a super story focused game I'd just watch TV instead lol

Because different people find different things fun, HZD has a pretty interesting story, so the game can be enjoyable without hard combat.

What exactly do you want? You're complaining that games being easy is no fun, then also complaining that you can't get the armour that makes the game much easier until late in the game.