European Theme Cities...

[maestro]

What's up with the ridiculous amount of space needed to get any population whatsoever in a map that is European themed? I don't have After Dark, and the only map I can find that I like, is the Great Plains one (it has TWO Highway Connections in the starting square, the highest % build, AND an Ocean Connection), but yet it is European. Arrgh. My "High Density" residential buildings are only doing 6-8 households each, meanwhile a non-European city would have 5x that amount of population if not higher.

I don't suppose there's a way to change what theme your city is? When It said "European Theme" I assumed that was just a aesthetic thing, as the game doesn't tell you otherwise... but apparently, nope.

Also, I hate how HUGE Highschools are in the European theme. Honestly, how are you supposed to be able to fit those anywhere?

[Slye_Fox]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=456408505

[maestro]

Does this mod disable Euro buildings and allow you to build American Buildings, and I assume it allows you to choose which buildings should be built? The mod sounds like it does the exact opposite; allows you to build Euro on American maps.

[Slye_Fox]

That's what the "+vice versa" means.

[Lao Dan]

Originally posted by Slye_Fox:

That's what the "+vice versa" means.

You and your fancy pants Latin.

[Slye_Fox]

You'll also need this to set the global theme to International; http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=466158459

[kesat]

Originally posted by maestro:

[...]European. Arrgh. My "High Density" residential buildings are only doing 6-8 households each, meanwhile a non-European city would have 5x that amount of population if not higher.

I don't suppose there's a way to change what theme your city is? When It said "European Theme" I assumed that was just a aesthetic thing, as the game doesn't tell you otherwise... but apparently, nope

European buildings have the same amount of households than "standard" buildings. At max density & highest level a standard residential block is able to have up to 26 households - just like the european one.

High residential buildings with 6-8 households (at highest level) are usually the case if your zones have only space for 2x2 or 2x3 buildings. This also applies for the standard theme.

The only difference other than visuals is for service buildings.


TL;DR:
European theme has the same amount of households as the standard theme.

[Termite]

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=426163185&searchtext=

Try this mod.

You can also add 'slow citizen aging configurable' mod for more realism.

[Slye_Fox]

Originally posted by kesat:

TL;DR:
European theme has the same amount of households as the standard theme.

Another difference is that the European service buildings have a bigger footprint, but do the same work (as an example, look at the Highschool).

[kesat]

Originally posted by Slye_Fox:

Originally posted by kesat:

TL;DR:
European theme has the same amount of households as the standard theme.

Another difference is that the European service buildings have a bigger footprint, but do the same work (as an example, look at the Highschool).

Was referring to this aspect one sentence above the quoted ("The only difference other than visuals is for service buildings."), but didn't consider to be important enough compared to the OP's primary concern regarding the population. But it's good that you made it a bit more clear ;)

[maestro]

If the houses contain the same amount of population, then why is it that it takes a MUCH bigger city to get up to the point where you can start getting High Density zones, then? Two cities built in pretty much the same fashion, but the Euro one requires a lot more zones than the non-Euro one? And yes, I've got more than enough schools, and such for these zones to grow.

4-5 minutes after upgrading a zone to High-Density on a non-Euro map, I get big tall apartment complexes. On a Euro Map I get these tiny little red buildings that are like half the size and my population is only ~15,000 despite most of the starting square being filled in except for a small river that runs in the middle of the map, whereas the non-Euro Map, I've got 18,000+ and a huge section of land empty in the first starting square.

And also for some weird reason, Euro Maps require a LOT of Residental and Commercial zones to almost no Industrial zones to even get up to the High-Density zones, whereas Non-Euro maps, it comes along, bam bam bam. I'll take screenshots here soon to show what I mean.

[kesat]

Originally posted by maestro:

If the houses contain the same amount of population, then why is it that it takes a MUCH bigger city to get up to the point where you can start getting High Density zones, then?

It doesn't take a bigger city. Your low density buildings are the exact same for european & standard theme. There is no difference at all for low density zones.

4-5 minutes after upgrading a zone to High-Density on a non-Euro map, I get big tall apartment complexes. On a Euro Map I get these tiny little red buildings that are like half the size

Just as i already said: You get the same amount of households for the same size & level using european theme vs. standard theme. The difference ("small buildings") is just a visual one. If you get less pop then the issue is probably on your side (e.g. inefficient zoning).


But we'll see when you provide us your screenshots...

[maestro]

Okay, now for a couple screenshots:

Euro City: http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/391044006137839889/D421355F62FED1BC0C65AF5B7827C892FF6E1C93/

Non-Euro City:

http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/391044006137840184/10609F3D286E52D3E37F6E92FD69170F0CB4D495/

Both have roughly the same population, but the Euro City takes up significantly more zones. Both cities have their needs well-met, more than enough schools to go around, parks, etc.

[maestro]

In fact is, in further examining the screenshot...

Non-Euro City has way worse traffic problems, MORE unemployment (only 1% more but still), while the Euro City has better traffic, and less unemployment.

[kesat]

Could you provide screenshots showing your building levels? A screenshot whichs shows your pops doesn't help much.