Space Dogs? And a question about vents

[Chryzt]

Space Dogs. Do they really exist in the game? My record is 248 survived days (I own Duskers on a second account too) and I NEVER encountered this type of "infestation". Just read about them in a guide, and I couldn't believe that I have never seen them.

I also ask myself, if it is possible for swarms to spawn out of vents, even if the ship is only infestated with e.g. a brute. If the number of infestations on a ship is 1 and it is a brute or slime for example, does this indicate that it's not possible, that a swarm could spawn through a vent?

[Velken Iakov]

Yes, Space dogs are a thing.
Even if you get 0 infestation tyes, a vent can spawn swarms.

[T-Bone Biggins]

Originally posted by Velken Iakov:

Yes, Space dogs are a thing.
Even if you get 0 infestation tyes, a vent can spawn swarms.

I thought vents only spawned swarms if the ship already had swarms, for example if the ship had only 2 infestations and they were leapers and androids then the vents wouldn't spawn swarms.

[Vardis]

Originally posted by T-Bone Biggins:

Originally posted by Velken Iakov:

Yes, Space dogs are a thing.
Even if you get 0 infestation tyes, a vent can spawn swarms.

I thought vents only spawned swarms if the ship already had swarms, for example if the ship had only 2 infestations and they were leapers and androids then the vents wouldn't spawn swarms.

That's been my experience. And I've never seen zero infestation types listed. Is that a thing?

[Velken Iakov]

Yes, and there is a almost 100% chance to get 0 types on the 1st galaxy if Easy Start option is true (it only makes the 1st system easy).

[Vardis]

Are you talking about after a reset? The first time through (or after a data clear), the first ship won't have anything on it, but that's obviously a special case and you aren't going to get a swarm there. Are you saying you've seen a zero infestation ship elsewhere that spawned a swarm from a vent, other than in some special scenario?

I've never seen either a zero infestation outside the starting ship or a vent spawn a swarm when all infestation types have been seen (and were not swarms).

[Balneor]

About the vents:

Swamrs can come out of vents, ONLYif one of the infestation aboard the ship, is diagnosed as swarm-type. If there aren't swarms, vents are unharmful, you can just forget about them.

Originally posted by Velken Iakov:

Even if you get 0 infestation tyes, a vent can spawn swarms.

If there are 0 infestation aboard, then there is no reason to swarms to come out of vents, because it is stated that there are no ennemies.
(Though there is a bug, that sometimes there can be 2 infest's, but when you explore the ship, you encounter no ennemies). I have a screenshot of this.

Originally posted by Vardis:

Are you talking about after a reset? The first time through (or after a data clear), the first ship won't have anything on it, but that's obviously a special case and you aren't going to get a swarm there. Are you saying you've seen a zero infestation ship elsewhere that spawned a swarm from a vent, other than in some special scenario?

I've never seen either a zero infestation outside the starting ship or a vent spawn a swarm when all infestation types have been seen (and were not swarms).

Actually, it is possible to find a ship with 0 infest's stated on the menu, other than the "tutorial ones". But it is quite rare. I think that the only way to find them is to look out systems that have a average age of 1-100. So there would be 0-1 species. But that is only speculation, and I don't have any screenshot of it.

Because, you may have noticed infestations, ship's age and the hull are bind. The higher the age, the higher the infest's aboard. The lower the hull (Good per example), the lower the age, then lower species encountered. So, we can tell that the higher the age is, the higher number of infestations aboard, therefore, the higher the difficulty is.

You have:
-1-100 age (Theorically, not 100% proven yen) . 0-1 infestations, the rarest of all "level of difficulty" to find.
-100-200 age, (approximately) it is the average age of the ships. Most of the time 1-2 infestations, rarely 3 (But possible with like 240 years), with good- hulls. They are the most common systems found.
-200-300, you can find 2-3 types commonly, with a hull of -hazardeous. But those systems are quite rare.
-300-400, 3-4 types, hull hazardeous-fatal. Mostly dangerous due to all 4 types at once, and the event-rate is really high. More common than the 200-300 ones.

It is good to note, that in a system, most of the derelicts in there will have the same "average" age. (Like, in a system, there are 7 derelicts, and they have a average of 100-200 age). Actually, it is impossble to find a derelict with 400+ age and a 100-200 one in the same system. Because the age is supposed to be the same for all derelicts in a system, like I explained.
But don't make the mistake, thinking that in a galaxy (Not a system!), the age, or the "level of difficulty" (Per example a 100-200 age) of the ships you found in a system is the same to every others sytems in that galaxy. Because it is false. Rarely false, cause it doesn't happen often, but still wrong.
My point, though, is: you can find differents type of level, in the same galaxy. I'ts not always the same.
You can not care about this information, because it has a very few uses, but it is still cool to know, especially when you realize it works that way.

Application: You're playing the daily, and it is stated that the infestations types are unknow (???). However, the ship's age is 400. With this information, you can safely say that this ship will contain 3 or 4 infestations (Tough daily). Do the same guess with a ship that lived 100 years aproximately.

Yes I know, I've went too far with the explanations. Deal with it.

[Balneor]

About space dogs, yes they are a thing, and I have two screenshots that shown them.

[Chryzt]

Originally posted by BØØM:

About the vents:

Swamrs can come out of vents, ONLYif one of the infestation aboard the ship, is diagnosed as swarm-type. If there aren't swarms, vents are unharmful, you can just forget about them.

Thanks for the replies. I'm still not completly convinced about the spawn-possibility of vents though. Some say swarms can spawn with 0 infestation types and others (like you) state that vents can only spawn enemies when swarms are already present on the ship. Do you have a kind of source?

[Balneor]

Originally posted by Chryzt:

Originally posted by BØØM:

About the vents:

Swamrs can come out of vents, ONLYif one of the infestation aboard the ship, is diagnosed as swarm-type. If there aren't swarms, vents are unharmful, you can just forget about them.

Thanks for the replies. I'm still not completly convinced about the spawn-possibility of vents though. Some say swarms can spawn with 0 infestation types and others (like you) state that vents can only spawn enemies when swarms are already present on the ship. Do you have a kind of source?

A perfect source: experience it. Like, try to find a ship with actually stated informations like 0 infestations, find a vent, wait and see.
You know, it could be right. Per example I had a strange derelict, where there was only 2 rooms http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=693317065.
Though there were 2 infest's, I didn't find any of them. But there was a vent. Maybe, if you wait, and thanks to a bit of luck, you could (maybe?) spot a group of swarm to come out from it.

There are no formula avayable, or you could ask the devs, they are alive and lively. The only true way of having a source is playing long enough, and testing. Trying to aim at something. And sometimes you find bugs, along the way. Or look out for guides, even though there's a few of them. I'm sorry but I can't really help you.

It is always good when someone have different thoughts about something like a mechanic (In this case, the vent), and so you kinda want to prove who's right. Like you say, some other people have different opinions about this subject. But I personally believe it is false, I have played enough to think that (80 h +), and it has never occured to me.

[Vardis]

I figure if it says 2 infestations and you don't see anything that you'll get swarms from vents and goo from anywhere.

[Balneor]

Possible... Unless they were supposed to contain bots and brutes. In that case, if you still aren't encountering anything, well i'ts like the ship has 0 infestations type in it.