Standard IFR flight plan sent me straight into a mountain

[Jaeger Pilot]

I finally got the Vision Jet, and on my first flight with my own jet, I followed the standard flight plan exactly. I was cruising at 8900 feet through some rough weather, with very low visibility, so I didn't see very far. After having flown for about an hour, I was starting to get close to the destination. I was mostly looking at my displays, to see what my approach was like, when a mountain side suddenly appears in front of me. I didn't even have time to react before the plane crashed and the mission was over.

So... since the game doesn't adjust the flight plan to account for tall mountains, is there a way for me to check the tallest points along my flight so I can set my cruising altitude well above that?

[Jaeger Pilot]

Also, when in freelance mode flying for my own company, the game treats it as I'm flying for another company. First, I'm not dressed in my normal clothes that I picked in my profile, and when talking I keep calling the company First Class Flights, which is not the name of my company, but the name of the company you work for as an employee. Anyone else experiencing this?

[samba_liten]

Not sure about career mode, but for all things flightplan related in free flight, try this: https://planner.flightsimulator.com/landing.html

[TargetLost]

You can activate the Terrain Display.

Yes took me some time too but I tend to press every button in the cockpit when I am bored.

To be clear: The same Terrain view in your PFD as you can See in the Garmin in the Cessna 172

[Eva]

This is indeed a real problem. ATC in this game is horrible for doing this. You can as mentioned use the terrain display. Also, if flying a procedure there may be a chart available for the procedure. For example I was flying a RNAV approach into Innsbruck. Again, ATC wanted me to decend too soon and was nagging me about doing so. Fortunately, looking at the chart (which you can do in the EFB) I was able to tell when it was safe to descend and how far.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Originally posted by Eva:

This is indeed a real problem. ATC in this game is horrible for doing this. You can as mentioned use the terrain display. Also, if flying a procedure there may be a chart available for the procedure. For example I was flying a RNAV approach into Innsbruck. Again, ATC wanted me to decend to soon as was nagging me about doing so. Fortunately, looking at the chart (which you can do in the EFB) I was able to tell when it was safe to descend and how far.

Actually, I was flying to Innsbruck for the next flight. It has an elevation of almost 2000 feet, which is nice to know in IFR conditions, which it was. My problem was that I had the autopilot following the GPS, and ATC told me to stay at 19,000 feet, even when approaching the airfield. Fearing I would crash into a mountain again, I overflew the airport instead.

I never got the normal approach calls, and never got the option to ask for clearance to land. Did I have to do anything special, or was it a bug? I've always been asked to switch over to the airport previously when I got close.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

You can activate the Terrain Display.

Yes took me some time too but I tend to press every button in the cockpit when I am bored.

To be clear: The same Terrain view in your PFD as you can See in the Garmin in the Cessna 172

Do you get the terrain tops in actual feet on the display? And where is it located?

[TargetLost]

Originally posted by Jaeger Pilot:

Originally posted by TargetLost:

You can activate the Terrain Display.

Yes took me some time too but I tend to press every button in the cockpit when I am bored.

To be clear: The same Terrain view in your PFD as you can See in the Garmin in the Cessna 172

Do you get the terrain tops in actual feet on the display? And where is it located?

It is the very same as in the Garmin..means a 3D visualisation of the mountains in front of you. Well the activation is different for each aircraft.
I believe for the vision it is the lower left small screen there should be a PDF Settings or something and in there Terrain..you might have to scroll in there to see it.

Innsbruck is special the way that you go to RTT at FL 140 and then glide down the mountain slope into the canyon at an angle to the rwy and only in the last mile you turn toward the rwy.

It is simpler and faster done with the Terrain Display on and the ATC on VFR (cancel IFR) and then fly visual with the Terrain 3D Display... or follow the RTT route as it is in the charts and not the blue rectangles.. although I believe the blue rectangle from RTT do not hit a mountain.. if you exclude VRF loopdy looops that is

In general stay above FL140 in the Alps. (there seems some few peaks thought that hit FL140)

[Mightylink]

The IFR ATC's don't seem to follow my flight plan, or at least not my flight level, I make sure to type in a new one, I press the enter key 10 times to be sure, I press both the file flight plan and send to avionics, but they still assign me a much different altitude than what I filed... at that point I just cancel my IFR because I'm trying to save fuel, not deal with the games bugs.

[Eva]

Originally posted by Jaeger Pilot:

Originally posted by Eva:

This is indeed a real problem. ATC in this game is horrible for doing this. You can as mentioned use the terrain display. Also, if flying a procedure there may be a chart available for the procedure. For example I was flying a RNAV approach into Innsbruck. Again, ATC wanted me to decend to soon as was nagging me about doing so. Fortunately, looking at the chart (which you can do in the EFB) I was able to tell when it was safe to descend and how far.

Actually, I was flying to Innsbruck for the next flight. It has an elevation of almost 2000 feet, which is nice to know in IFR conditions, which it was. My problem was that I had the autopilot following the GPS, and ATC told me to stay at 19,000 feet, even when approaching the airfield. Fearing I would crash into a mountain again, I overflew the airport instead.

I never got the normal approach calls, and never got the option to ask for clearance to land. Did I have to do anything special, or was it a bug? I've always been asked to switch over to the airport previously when I got close.

As mentioned by TargetLost I was on the RNAV route that goes through RTT. I thought it takes you to FL 120, not FL140, but either way it was flying into RTT I needed to be careful. From RTT it eventually descended me to FL 40 and then on to the airport. I was under ATC control the entire time.

[TargetLost]

mh.. The ATC useually gives you the altitude you filed. But you should do that before starting the mission.

There is a system with east and west bound flights the one is on even the other on odd 1000ft Flight Level so if you want FL300 you might be assigned to FL310 as exacmple.
I never know which is odd and which even.

Also if your FlightPlan crosses the Alps and want 6000 ft it will give you the minimum Alt required 13000ft or 14000 ft

So far ATC worked fine in this way for me.
Except it has no clue when I want to descend but I anway cancle IFR in Career mode.

[TargetLost]

Originally posted by Eva:

I thought it takes you to FL 120, not FL140

That is well possible. I have FL140 in my head because that is what is required to cross the Alps

[NowMeowMeowNow]

Originally posted by Mightylink:

The IFR ATC's don't seem to follow my flight plan, or at least not my flight level, I make sure to type in a new one, I press the enter key 10 times to be sure, I press both the file flight plan and send to avionics, but they still assign me a much different altitude than what I filed... at that point I just cancel my IFR because I'm trying to save fuel, not deal with the games bugs.

You can key bind add fuel. Just make sure it's the add fuel and not the add fuel and repair otherwise your mission will crash.

[Jaeger Pilot]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

mh.. The ATC useually gives you the altitude you filed. But you should do that before starting the mission.

There is a system with east and west bound flights the one is on even the other on odd 1000ft Flight Level so if you want FL300 you might be assigned to FL310 as exacmple.
I never know which is odd and which even.

Also if your FlightPlan crosses the Alps and want 6000 ft it will give you the minimum Alt required 13000ft or 14000 ft

So far ATC worked fine in this way for me.
Except it has no clue when I want to descend but I anway cancle IFR in Career mode.

I don't know how to change the flight plan. So I followed the plan that was decided by the game (I followed the GPS, not the blue markers in the sky), and the ATC never told me to contact the airport or descend or anything like that when I approached the airport.

Normally something pops up and tells me to press enter to contact the airport and request landing etc. Nothing like that happened, and it started yelling at me when I went below 19,000 feet even as I was flying over the airfield.

My character told the passengers that we were cleared to land, so I just turned off the autopilot and handflew the plane back to the airport and landed. We were NOT cleared to land, and I got yelled at again.

[Manwith Noname]

Not sure about this version of the game or thier own flight planner but little nav map has a section that displays terrain height against your planned route.

https://www.littlenavmap.org/manuals/littlenavmap/release/2.8/en/PROFILE.html

Something similar was also available in the previous game on the navlog page when planning on the world map but it never seemed very accurate by comparison.

[TargetLost]

Originally posted by Jaeger Pilot:

Normally something pops up and tells me to press enter to contact the airport and request landing etc. Nothing like that happened, and it started yelling at me when I went below 19,000 feet even as I was flying over the airfield.

My character told the passengers that we were cleared to land, so I just turned off the autopilot and handflew the plane back to the airport and landed. We were NOT cleared to land, and I got yelled at again.

The mission ATC isn't very relaible and I wouldn't trust the altitudes they are often miss fit.

I always cancle IFR when in the Air and then try tro reconnect with the Mission ATC at destination by aiming the report position. Sometimes this works sometimes not.

Where it becomes messy is when after manual communication with the ATC the Mission ATC kicks in again.

Forexample you select the Rwy manual and say position manual (which nails the RWY you are going to)
Then the Mission ATc comes back on and when you press return your pilot says final but of the Mission ATC rwy's and if you then land you land on the wrong rwy.

So the best strategy is that once you communicated manual with the ATC stick do that and do everything requesting manual including taxing to parking.

And pay attention what you pilot says as rwy in especial the final landing rwy. This one is the valid one you have to land on for the mission.

NOT the FlightPlane one and not the Mission ATC one but the one your pilot says as last on the final.

So yes that mission ATC when it works it is fone but often it simple wants you do land on a rwy with 30 knts back wind and agains tyour flightplan... and that is a no go for me.

So I end up always do the ATC comms at the destination manual.

The most problem I have however is finding the Airport in the manual ATC com list.
Also the SET frequency from the ESB often doesnt work or has no frequence.