Future of PMDG?

[skru™]

Will PMDG follow through? I believe they will. If they charge $5-$10 for the upgrades I think many will pay the fee but if they go beyond $10 I fear they will be left behind in FS2020. Anyone hear anything about any of this? What will simmers be willing to pay for the upgrades? Not the 737's since we now have the Max but the 777. What about 777?

[Patpat]

I'm sure (and hope) they will, the quality will never compare to built-in stuff.

[Mightylink]

I remember using PMDG for FSX and thought "Microsoft will get it eventually" but here we are, still needing PMDG.

[MugHug]

Having seem PMDG since the early days, they have survived all the changes to Microsoft's Flight Simulator and even P3D. So, based on track record, the odds are they will be around a lot longer then you or me.

And if you are talking about the iFly 737 MAX, you are still talking about a product in beta, depends on an external app and costs $70.

The gateway into 'study level' 737 with PMDG is only $35 (50% the cost of the iFly 737 MAX) and even into 'study level' 777 is only $55. Even Fenix is cheaper and they already have a official version for 2024.

Prices that are a lot more palatable on top of PMDG's long-standing reputation nudge a lot of people in PMDG's direction when making an expensive purchase like this,

Also, both the iFly 737 MAX and Fenix A320 depend upon an external application which currently makes them a no-no for the millions of XBox flight simmers while the PMDG payware is available on that console.

I am actually in the process of buying a little 'study level' Xmas treat for myself and have both iFly and the PMDG 777 on the shortlist. When you break everything down, it is not that easy a decision. The more I research, the more I learnt that while the iFly is the 'buzz of the town' at the moment and represents the newest 737, it is not spotless.

Lastly, I suspect PMDG will be fair on the upgrade price if they need to charge one. Spend enough serious time in the flight sim scene and you will come across other examples of paid upgrades to maintain full comparability of existing payware with new flight sims.

The iFly looks damn good even compared to PMDG and Fenix but PMDG will not be going anywhere :)

[skru™]

I don't think they will be going anywhere but I don't think they will have much of a presence from existing users. New purches won't see the nonsence of a heft upgrde cost. Note that the cost of the 777 is more than the sim itself.
I'm talking about the Asobo 737 max and not ifly.

[Kenny]

to be able to use PMDG planes on MSFS 2024 should be free of charge upgrade, i will not spend more money for each individual aircraft's upgrade

[MugHug]

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

to be able to use PMDG planes on MSFS 2024 should be free of charge upgrade, i will not spend more money for each individual aircraft's upgrade

Why should it be an automatic free upgrade?

Who pays the developers for the work involved in adapting their products to the changes Microsoft caused in 2024? You expect them to do all the work for free?

Are you going to pay them?

And I suspect PMDG will be more realistic then you, when it comes to any upgrade fees.

[MugHug]

Publicado originalmente por skru™:

I don't think they will be going anywhere but I don't think they will have much of a presence from existing users. New purches won't see the nonsence of a heft upgrde cost. Note that the cost of the 777 is more than the sim itself.
I'm talking about the Asobo 737 max and not ifly.

New to flight simulation, it seems!!

PMDG have been a premium add-on, while expensive since the beginning in 1998. They have literally cost more then the price of any simulator they create for, since the beginning and that includes FSX, P3D and MSFS.

Yet and here is the kicker you need to take on board, they are still here 27 years later and still considered one of the best and most popular.

Based on facts, I think I will put more faith in PMDG, then the nonsense you have to say.

And the majority out there 'who know what they are talking' about consider the Asobo 737 Max to be 'light-wear' compared to the level of fidelity and depth of PMDG's DC-6, 737 and 777.

[Kenny]

Publicado originalmente por MugHug:

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

to be able to use PMDG planes on MSFS 2024 should be free of charge upgrade, i will not spend more money for each individual aircraft's upgrade

Why should it be an automatic free upgrade?

Who pays the developers for the work involved in adapting their products to the changes Microsoft caused in 2024? You expect them to do all the work for free?

Are you going to pay them?

And I suspect PMDG will be more realistic then you, when it comes to any upgrade fees.

why should i pay for an upgrade when i already own their product? fenix is 100% free update for people that already owned their plane, and they are actually better then PMDG hell flybywire is better and they are 100% free, I paid an arm and a leg for their planes i should get the update free, then again i do like airbus better then Boeing, the interior is so much better, less complex the entire instrument panels are a lot better, and they don't write off their own(killing them) employees for calling them out on their failures of aircraft.

[Hiigara]

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

Publicado originalmente por MugHug:

Why should it be an automatic free upgrade?

Who pays the developers for the work involved in adapting their products to the changes Microsoft caused in 2024? You expect them to do all the work for free?

Are you going to pay them?

And I suspect PMDG will be more realistic then you, when it comes to any upgrade fees.

why should i pay for an upgrade when i already own their product? fenix is 100% free update for people that already owned their plane, and they are actually better then PMDG hell flybywire is better and they are 100% free, I paid an arm and a leg for their planes i should get the update free, then again i do like airbus better then Boeing, the interior is so much better, less complex the entire instrument panels are a lot better, and they don't write off their own(killing them) employees for calling them out on their failures of aircraft.

Nice for you that you like Fenix and the Airbus but this thread is about PMDG and Boeing

[Kenny]

Publicado originalmente por Hiigara:

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

why should i pay for an upgrade when i already own their product? fenix is 100% free update for people that already owned their plane, and they are actually better then PMDG hell flybywire is better and they are 100% free, I paid an arm and a leg for their planes i should get the update free, then again i do like airbus better then Boeing, the interior is so much better, less complex the entire instrument panels are a lot better, and they don't write off their own(killing them) employees for calling them out on their failures of aircraft.

Nice for you that you like Fenix and the Airbus but this thread is about PMDG and Boeing

my point is it should not be a charge to have it updated to another platform with the money spent on their products, maybe if they release more then what they have they will still stick around, but with the limited amount of planes, i don't see them going much further. with charges for the new games after the price of their planes

[Skons]

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

Publicado originalmente por Hiigara:

Nice for you that you like Fenix and the Airbus but this thread is about PMDG and Boeing

my point is it should not be a charge to have it updated to another platform with the money spent on their products, maybe if they release more then what they have they will still stick around, but with the limited amount of planes, i don't see them going much further. with charges for the new games after the price of their planes

Do you do the same when your vehicle manufacturer brings out a new model? Do you go and demand they upgrade your vehicle for free?

It is a new Simulator, completely stand alone from your 2020 Sim. They are 1000% within their right to charge for building and compiling their product to the new platform.

If you don't want to pay, move along then.

[Tyvolus]

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

Publicado originalmente por MugHug:

Why should it be an automatic free upgrade?

Who pays the developers for the work involved in adapting their products to the changes Microsoft caused in 2024? You expect them to do all the work for free?

Are you going to pay them?

And I suspect PMDG will be more realistic then you, when it comes to any upgrade fees.

why should i pay for an upgrade when i already own their product? fenix is 100% free update for people that already owned their plane, and they are actually better then PMDG hell flybywire is better and they are 100% free, I paid an arm and a leg for their planes i should get the update free, then again i do like airbus better then Boeing, the interior is so much better, less complex the entire instrument panels are a lot better, and they don't write off their own(killing them) employees for calling them out on their failures of aircraft.

"why should i pay for an upgrade when i already own their product?"

exactly what a silly thing for him to suggest. hope he wasnt being serious. because thats like total clueless.

[Tyvolus]

Publicado originalmente por Hiigara:

Publicado originalmente por Kenny:

why should i pay for an upgrade when i already own their product? fenix is 100% free update for people that already owned their plane, and they are actually better then PMDG hell flybywire is better and they are 100% free, I paid an arm and a leg for their planes i should get the update free, then again i do like airbus better then Boeing, the interior is so much better, less complex the entire instrument panels are a lot better, and they don't write off their own(killing them) employees for calling them out on their failures of aircraft.

Nice for you that you like Fenix and the Airbus but this thread is about PMDG and Boeing

not anymore it aint

[Ranold Arzenschwegger🕹]

I have personally decided not to buy any more PMDG products. The quality level is not good enough for me. I bought the 737 in 3 variants from PMDG and was initially convinced that they were on the right track with the 737. But at some point there were simply no more updates. The updates that did come were barely noticeable. The fiasco with the EFB is also unforgettable, which took a long time to arrive and was ultimately very disappointing. IFly and Fenix ​​have shown what the measure of things is for PC users. The flight model of the 777 is also simply unrealistic, the effects (flex engines) are randomized and look very inauthentic. Now on top of that they are offering quality improvements, which should actually be a given in this price category, for extra money. Everyone has to decide for themselves whether they support this approach. But I will boycott PMDG because I can no longer support this inadequate quality and pricing model. Fortunately, there are first-class alternatives that make flying more enjoyable.

[skru™]

Publicado originalmente por MugHug:

Publicado originalmente por skru™:

I don't think they will be going anywhere but I don't think they will have much of a presence from existing users. New purches won't see the nonsence of a heft upgrde cost. Note that the cost of the 777 is more than the sim itself.
I'm talking about the Asobo 737 max and not ifly.

New to flight simulation, it seems!!

PMDG have been a premium add-on, while expensive since the beginning in 1998. They have literally cost more then the price of any simulator they create for, since the beginning and that includes FSX, P3D and MSFS.

Yet and here is the kicker you need to take on board, they are still here 27 years later and still considered one of the best and most popular.

Based on facts, I think I will put more faith in PMDG, then the nonsense you have to say.

And the majority out there 'who know what they are talking' about consider the Asobo 737 Max to be 'light-wear' compared to the level of fidelity and depth of PMDG's DC-6, 737 and 777.

LOL no I'm not new. Been doing msfs since before Steam existed.