Unpermitted hit on Bison with 303

[Kennedius]

Just dropped a Bison with a 303 and its unpermitted im just wondering if you guys have ever shot a firearm in your life please fix this. This is a joke.

[Surottoru]

Really? I would of thought the 303 would be permitted

[Kennedius]

Thats what im sayin lol i have a 303 irl and i know what its all about, i dont get it

[Leagle]

Can't even use the oldschool blackpowder rifle.
What is this?

[Alf Tupper]

The majority of theHunter devs hunt so the question is whether this was deliberate or an oversight; it's your responsibility to choose an ethical weapon at the end of the day under the current game model. (A model I somewhat disagree with - I'll visit this in a separate post)

I've had a scan through the weapons to see what are permitted for Bison and not. There's quite a few not.

I'm just creating a short list of ethical weapons to put here - and to discuss:

ALLOWED:

.454 pistol
47/70 lever action
8x57 Anschutz
Mauser K98k
7mm rifles
.300 Win Mag

NOT ALLOWED:

30-06
.303
.308
.270
6.5mm
.50 muzzle loader

Quick and dirty wikipedia suggests that in a rifle the bar is set at a minimum of 2800 ft lbs to be ethcal (that's the 45/70) whereas good old .303 makes about 2500 ft lbs compared to 3000 ft lbs for the 8x57. I guess that the exclusion of the .303 is therefore not an oversight. Sorry!

Now see my post on the ethical weapon system...

[Kennedius]

Good info ty for your post freind.

[RedNex]

30-06, .303, .308, and .50 muzzle SHOULD be in there. As we spoke about this Alf, back in the early days of the winchester 30-30 when it was first realesed, it was the weapon of choice(besides the bow and arrow used by the western plains indians) to take down buffalo(Bison)

[Alf Tupper]

Yup. In a nutshell, I'd like to see all weapons allowed BUT for there to be penalties if you don't get a clean ethical kill. Maybe not allow the .2LR or the air rifle for Bison though... if you see what I mean.

So if you think you can hunt Bison with a .303 or a 30-30 successfully - go for it; if you spend a lot of time chasing wounded animals or getting attacked in a stampede then that's also your choice

[Surottoru]

Originally posted by Alf Tupper:

Yup. In a nutshell, I'd like to see all weapons allowed BUT for there to be penalties if you don't get a clean ethical kill. Maybe not allow the .2LR or the air rifle for Bison though... if you see what I mean.

No No allow that, It just makes it go into a rage and kills you instead

[Alf Tupper]

LOL well maybe...

NB - has anyone been killed by a Bison yet? One bit of wiki I read said they were the second most deadly animal after the brown bear in North America...

[chrisben1]

Did you miss the pre-release episode on Twitch? Killer-Tut was killed, (or should I say injured) in that episode.

[Alf Tupper]

No I missed it vbut you have shown there is justice in the world if an official mod can get gored :-)

[Surottoru]

I thnk ronMactube has a vid where he went to get one with a bow and it hut him

[Centurion A-10]

The name of limits: Ethical Hunting. Who set this ethics: the game company.
Why? ask them.

[Kennedius]

Ya alf it was clean dropped him where he stood never walked a foot.

[DanthemanBoone]

Dont confuse the game with real life.
In real life I worked as a culler for the forest service and as a private meat hunter.
Here in N.Z. I have shot red deer and pigs with a .222 and later upgraded to .223. I have also shot Red deer with .22lr and .22 magnum. There are no restrictions here at all.
I never had any problems getting ( thousands ) of clean kills with either .222 or .223 and the few I shot with the 22LR or 22 magnum were oppotunistic but were all 1 shot kills.

But if I was to go to America or Europe, many States and Countries would not allow me to hunt with these calibres, and even within The US each state has its own interpretation of permitted weapons.
Most U.S. legislators seem to be tied into the ft lbs energy scales while European legislation appears to base their limits on the sectional densities of the projectile.

The EHR hunting maps are modelled as a 'private hunting reserve' and as such the limitations on weapons considered ethical are set for each species by the reserve administration, often refered to as DOC, a grumpy old 'virtual' coot who has no knowledge or experience with Real Life hunting practices.

The other overiding factor is that permitted species is tied very closely to sales of weapons so that in order to hunt some species you will have to buy the appropriate weapon.
This is in turn tied to the company profits and their supposed financial ability to continue to grow and expand the game with more reserves and new animals.

But dont worry, you are not alone in your disatisfaction and I can remember back in 2009 making strong argument for allowing .270 to be permitted for Roosevelt Elk.
They didnt listen then even though the ballistics and energy of a 270 using a 180 gr projectile is equal under 200 yrds .. then greater after 200yrds, than that delivered by a 30.06 180 gr projectile.
But then of course the in game load for the .270 is a 130 gr bullet and I would have to agree that it would be a tad light for Elk.

Its their game and their reserve and they make their own rules. I doubt if anything has changed since.

These days I no longer care. I just buy the appropriate weapon and play the game by their rules.