Camo question

[peaty29]

When using a summer camo in Logger's Point what do the clear-cut areas (stumps and bare soil) count as?

[Hylie Pistof]

they should be field or better - not forrest XD

i only wear S3D forrest camo there, because in a field without cover the camo does close to nothing, you will be seen and identified anyway.
between trees though you can blend in if you dont move fast or at all ^^ the less the anmimal sees of you, the longer it takes to id you as a threat or even oversee you.
any part covered by obstacles like rocks, trees, walls of hunting towers will reduce detection.

and no, tripods and tree stands only move you out of the line of sight, they DONT mask you in anyway. if an animal looks up (seen that more then once on towers) then it can id you and spook.

now you can go the expensive way and buy alot of different sneaky 3D gear, or you start with some universal clothing like Outback or Van Helsing (carefull with the hat during halloween XD it attracts WW).
those give some sense reduction for all maps and species = cheaper for the start and at least something.

sneaky 3D is great against visual detection, you can use scent reducer and wind direction and at last, you are in control of your movement - so that is the superior camo clothing ingame - but expensive because you need alot for many different enviroments.

of course the specialized one (B&C, English or Trapper) have their place too, IF you can live with spooking the other species XD (who can spook the animal you are stalking)

whiterim is another map that requires specialized gear, but more for protection. and if you wear to much or to thick clothing youll get issues on hot enviroments like outback or sub tropical.

dont make the mistake to belive camo can mask your fails ;) its only a few % per item and in total not that much at all.
your behaviour, movement and direction of approach is still far more effective than wearing any camo.
ghilie is totaly out since it makes noise when moving, that is truely a militay camo and only of any use for a sniper/recon who doesnt move at all ^^

although, camo doesnt work in real like ingame anyway XD

back to topic...
if you want to hunt rabbits in those areas, then you may like the english clothing. other then that, dont bother too much - the .17 can take those bunnys over 150m easy XD

EDIT:
you can check the camo effect yourself by holding G with the HM in your hand and choosing camo. then you can move around and see where a certain camo works (green or brown)

[peaty29]

Right, thanks for the reply. In the clearcut areas is it considered forest, field, or neither?

[**********]

The only way to be sure is for someone with Summer field camo to go into a logged area and check on their Huntermate. I'd guess none, since it's neither, but that's purely speculation.

[Hylie Pistof]

Originally posted by **********:

The only way to be sure is for someone with Summer field camo to go into a logged area and check on their Huntermate. I'd guess none, since it's neither, but that's purely speculation.

i did exactly that just now to solve this issue ;)

i had cap and jacket in forrest, trousers and boots in field and english gloves ^^

the logged areas are basicaly field, BUT... there are patches close to still standing trees that are forrest, although just a step aside its field again.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3264344856
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however, this is where i say even on loggers with alot of field, the forrest camo is (IMO) the better choice.
consider that camo is not making you invisible and if there is no cover at all you will be detected and identified. camo has barly any effect in fields.
in the forrest though you have alot of trees that cover a part of your body, and that limmits the ability to identifie you.
similar to the way we spot animals with the binos/scoopes. the more pixel you get to see the easier it is to get the spotting info box.

i like to think the animals are coded to see just like that, and the camo does at best increase the time you are identified another second or two and the pixels that are required - for a full set that is ^^

again, just to be sure... your way of moving and the wind direction (together with scent reducer), dependent on the species, is much more important then the camo effect of the gear.
some veteran players have stated they dont bother anymore and hunt in green basic clothing XD
a little camo effect is there, so that gear is not totaly useless. just not a magic spell that makes you dissapear ;)

[**********]

Good to know. Such information should be on the wiki.

If prefer a mix of B&C and English (cap, gloves, boots) since it's less complicated and deer are on every map. In my experience camo makes a big difference if you aren't moving. Prone you can have deer almost step on you. I've had occasions where cow elk can be 5m away while I'm crouching but not moving on the verge of a road with no cover and the elk doesn't spook. This all requires a favourable wind. As soon as they sniff the air you're done. Males aren't so blind especially high scoring animals. If you start moving around you'll be spotted just like anything else.

[Pete Gaimari]

High scoring bucks and bulls can be fooled it can be done up close.

When the animal is looking at you..............FREEZE!

When it's not looking at you. You move slowly.

You have to do this perfect. Just a small slip and you're busted.

Scent is different. It has to be in your favor or you're busted. No exceptions.

Sound is not done right in Classic. We make noise when we wouldn't doing the same thing in real life. Devs messed up.

Females are too easy to fool for all senses. Way too easy to kill. Good hunters leave them alone.

[DanthemanBoone]

The 3D camos work in conjunction with the ground textures. If you are standing on undertree texture the forest will be activated. If you are standing on an open area such as grass, cornfield, plowed area etc, the field camo will be activated. Where textures spill out or in at the merging of open areas to forest areas you can get an overlap. You can tell when you go from one texture to another by the sound of your footsteps changing. The sounds are also tied to the ground textures. You can use 3D camos in towers or stands depending on which ground texture the stand/tower is on.