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Kohi Nov 30, 2023 @ 4:41am
Dogs
I don't hunt bird species yet. Should I get myself a Dog still? Are they useful? If so, what's the most useful kind of dog?
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sonnycc Nov 30, 2023 @ 7:39am 
The Pointer or Retriever.
DYEUZ Nov 30, 2023 @ 7:44am 
I have the Retriever & Pointer.

I use the Retriever whenever I go Duck hunting only. Very useful.

My Pointer is probably dead in a tent somewhere.
Useless & get stuck all over the place.
Annoying to command him all the time.
Also feels at times he doesn't know where he's going.

From my exps only. Retriver is a better choice.
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Slowsilver Nov 30, 2023 @ 9:16am 
Pointer really helps when hunting rabbits. I don't use it for other stuff. Would help with Pumas and cats too, but my dog is not at that lvl yet. I don't remember it getting stuck, but I only used it for rabbits.
SusUrsus Nov 30, 2023 @ 10:42am 
pointer is really good for rabbits and ptarmigans
retriever is god for waterfowl
bloodhound finds 99% of animals with a poor bow/crossbow hit, but struggle with hits with few blood
zeral_storm Nov 30, 2023 @ 7:39pm 
Personally I only have the Retriver, and that is me being lazy (So worth it though! Not having to leave the blind!) XD
The Pointer I never really wanted for 2 reasons.
1: To level it up you need to make bad shot placement and track the blood.

2: Half the charm for me is findind the tracks and (yes each animal behave differently when wounded or spooked) Why would I want to remove that part? :steamhappy:
Grunt Nov 30, 2023 @ 9:01pm 
Originally posted by zeral_storm:
Personally I only have the Retriver, and that is me being lazy (So worth it though! Not having to leave the blind!) XD
The Pointer I never really wanted for 2 reasons.
1: To level it up you need to make bad shot placement and track the blood.

2: Half the charm for me is findind the tracks and (yes each animal behave differently when wounded or spooked) Why would I want to remove that part? :steamhappy:

The pointer does not track blood, the bloodhound does.

l may be wrong or not read your post properly :steamhappy:
Kohi Nov 30, 2023 @ 10:00pm 
Does the dog backpacks functions like a camo?
Helical Distortion Nov 30, 2023 @ 10:45pm 
Both dog backpacks and jackets don't provide any camo (in order to prevent them from spooking game species, tell them to lay down), but the backpack's extra carry weight is a nice bonus, and I find it makes certain color dogs easier to see on some maps.

Pointer is great for more than just tracking, though it does excel with small, skittish or highly mobile game: if you have an animal you're pursuing, but can't see it (terrain, plants), you can set it to track, using the dog as a radar to hone in or to warn you if you're getting too close/alerted the animal. Or in general, to get a sense of what's in the area, by cycling the different categories.

Bloodhound in my experience doesn't offer much use, even early game it isn't too difficult to track blood, but it comes in handy if you hit a bad shot and don't really feel like searching. Rarely, something will fail to leave blood tracks, or slide down a hill and the tracking dome is obscured, and it comes in clutch in these cases, but they're rare enough that the investment isn't really worth it.

Retriever is very situational. But if you do intend to start duck hunting, it'll be a huge convenience to have your canine gather them up for you, between flocks. If you don't plan to hunt duck/goose, then its not really worth while- ptarmigan scatter before you can get many shots off, and rabbits don't occur in great enough number to really necessitate having assistance gathering, same with pheasants. And it currently won't pick up grouse.

I've used all three, and pointer by far is my most used and preferred, if you like hunting little predators, fox, coyote or cat, it can't be beat. It's more utility, compared to purely convenience as the other two are. Good luck picking out the right companion.
Last edited by Helical Distortion; Nov 30, 2023 @ 10:48pm
Trulight911 Nov 30, 2023 @ 10:46pm 
Originally posted by SusUrsus:
pointer is really good for rabbits and ptarmigans
retriever is god for waterfowl
bloodhound finds 99% of animals with a poor bow/crossbow hit, but struggle with hits with few blood
That's because it will ONLY track a mortally wounded animal. (Going to die). The reason why it does with bow is because bows kill 100% of the time. Guns do not.

You hit a deer in the ear with a bow/xbow it will bleed out and die, you hit it in the leg or ear or non vital grazing body shot with a gun it will continue to travel the map and never die.

Which means the bloodhound will track the first 2 or 3 spots of blood on a gun shot, then sit down and look at you with a ? mark. That's because your gunshot was not a fatal wound.


How to track
To track a wounded animal walk up to a blood track, ID it (left-click on the track) and then hold “V” and select “Track”. The Scent Hound will move to the selected track to get its scent and then it will start tracking. It can track blood tracks and fleeing tracks of an animal, but not water tracks. When the dog has found the dead animal it will stay by it, baying and barking so you can easily pinpoint the location.

There are two scenarios when tracking can fail. The first is that the dog simply got distracted during tracking. It may have caught the scent of another animal or the distance between two clues was too far. The second scenario is that the tracked animal just got brushed by a projectile, bled for a few minutes then the bleeding stopped. In this case the dog cannot continue the tracking.

Source: https://thehunter.fandom.com/wiki/Dogs#Bluetick_Coonhound
Last edited by Trulight911; Nov 30, 2023 @ 10:53pm
Kohi Nov 30, 2023 @ 11:36pm 
Originally posted by Helical Distortion:
Both dog backpacks and jackets don't provide any camo (in order to prevent them from spooking game species, tell them to lay down), but the backpack's extra carry weight is a nice bonus, and I find it makes certain color dogs easier to see on some maps.

Pointer is great for more than just tracking, though it does excel with small, skittish or highly mobile game: if you have an animal you're pursuing, but can't see it (terrain, plants), you can set it to track, using the dog as a radar to hone in or to warn you if you're getting too close/alerted the animal. Or in general, to get a sense of what's in the area, by cycling the different categories.

Bloodhound in my experience doesn't offer much use, even early game it isn't too difficult to track blood, but it comes in handy if you hit a bad shot and don't really feel like searching. Rarely, something will fail to leave blood tracks, or slide down a hill and the tracking dome is obscured, and it comes in clutch in these cases, but they're rare enough that the investment isn't really worth it.

Retriever is very situational. But if you do intend to start duck hunting, it'll be a huge convenience to have your canine gather them up for you, between flocks. If you don't plan to hunt duck/goose, then its not really worth while- ptarmigan scatter before you can get many shots off, and rabbits don't occur in great enough number to really necessitate having assistance gathering, same with pheasants. And it currently won't pick up grouse.

I've used all three, and pointer by far is my most used and preferred, if you like hunting little predators, fox, coyote or cat, it can't be beat. It's more utility, compared to purely convenience as the other two are. Good luck picking out the right companion.
Does the german pointer give warning if i'm close/alerted the animal?
Helical Distortion Nov 30, 2023 @ 11:50pm 
Originally posted by Kohi:
Does the german pointer give warning if i'm close/alerted the animal?

Yes, if the animal is alerted- he will whine and an icon will pop up in the corner. Some animals, cats for example, will flee almost immediately after being alerted, but most critters are more lenient, so you can stop and crouch, or prone if you were already crouched, then keep stalking closer. It's helpful for learning animal boundaries early on.

edit: sometimes the dog will spook them while trying to get within pointing range, and it'll whine if its their fault. This doesn't happen too often, but flocks and herds can be an issue, or when there's other species between you and the target. Sometimes the one it chose to track moves to the front, and the dog blows through the group trying to get close, causing them all to scatter.
Last edited by Helical Distortion; Nov 30, 2023 @ 11:59pm
zeral_storm Dec 1, 2023 @ 4:32am 
Originally posted by Grunt:
Originally posted by zeral_storm:
Personally I only have the Retriver, and that is me being lazy (So worth it though! Not having to leave the blind!) XD
The Pointer I never really wanted for 2 reasons.
1: To level it up you need to make bad shot placement and track the blood.

2: Half the charm for me is findind the tracks and (yes each animal behave differently when wounded or spooked) Why would I want to remove that part? :steamhappy:

The pointer does not track blood, the bloodhound does.

l may be wrong or not read your post properly :steamhappy:

Sorry you may be right. As I said, I am not a big dog hunter except when I am a a lazy git! XD
MarylandManson Dec 1, 2023 @ 7:25am 
Originally posted by Kohi:
I don't hunt bird species yet. Should I get myself a Dog still? Are they useful? If so, what's the most useful kind of dog?
I don't think there is a most useful unless you hunt something specific. If you duck or goose hunt the retriever is unmatchable, If you bow hunt the coonhound can't be beat, and if you are more of a seek and kill as opposed to a wait and ambush the pointer is what you want. I have 4 dogs, 1 coonhound, 1 german pointer, 2 retrievers. You should never need more than 1 coonhound. Once it's trained it's unlikely you could run it out of stamina. I never have. The pointer you could justify eventually owning two for deer tourney's as you will tire it out pointing on long hunts. The retriever, i'll probably end up with one of every color and I can easily say 2 with out a doubt for long duck hunts and tournaments.
Last edited by MarylandManson; Dec 1, 2023 @ 10:51am
********** Dec 1, 2023 @ 9:00am 
The above posters omit the fact that you will have to train the dog. This might take a while until it's skills get to a more than useful level.

The retriever is great for ducks, is easy to train and will rise rapidly through the levels and skills, but is useful even at low levels. You will suffer rubber banding with some ducks, where the duck drags behind the dog instead of being held in the mouth. If you don't harvest the bird immediately it gets back you it will catapult the bird away from you, sometimes only 5m away but other times as far as 90m or so, and you can often watch it dance along the surface of the water as it goes like a weird UFO. Sometimes it collides into you and catapults you 100m+ up in the air (or once 240m+ away). Other than that it is fairly flawless with Canada or Snow Geese, as well as ptarmigans and rabbits.

The scent hound you might find frustrating during the training period. You can often track a wounded animal better yourself, especially if your tracking skill in high. It will get confused if it hits multiple other animal tracks, and if the tracked animal is not constantly bleeding you might struggle getting the animal to do it's job once it's lost the track, even tho you can see where it's gone yourself. The dog sometimes can't find the animal even as it ploughs right through the (bear) corpse on the ground pushing it along as it goes.

The pointer I can't speak about since I don't have one.

A bonus to the dogs is the extra 5kg carrying capacity if you give them a backpack. Useful for carrying ammo, callers, revolvers etc.

I'd get the retriever, certainly if you do any wildfowl or small game hunting. Other than that I'd say you get a dog because you want a dog. It doesn't do anything you can't do yourself, although it might make it easier once you spent the time training it to a high enough level.
MarylandManson Dec 1, 2023 @ 10:55am 
Originally posted by **********:
Sometimes it collides into you and catapults you 100m+ up in the air (or once 240m+ away). Other than that it is fairly flawless with Canada or Snow Geese, as well as ptarmigans and rabbits.
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