AHIT Theory. (DESC)

[Scout.jpg (She/They/He)]

This may have just been a fact i don't know, and if it isn't it's not GAME CHANGING, but i feel the need to address it nonetheless.

ok, so like, The Subcon forest is in hat kid's dreams. Evidence #1: Its name. Subcon. Sub-con. Subconscious. It's LITERALLY in the name.

Evidence #2: The telescope to get to Subcon is in the bedroom. Where one would SLEEP. and in sleep, you DREAM. really big piece of evidence here.

I think that when Snatcher died and became a ghost, not only did he become a ghost, he became a demon. And he now haunts Hat Kid's dreams to do his bidding. i believe that subcon IS an actual place on the planet, but hat kid travels there via her dreams somehow.


that last part got a little guessy, but i'm new to this theory thing! Tell me your thoughts! i'm open to constructive criticism!

EDIT: Evidence #3: When you exit Subcon, you spawn at the edge of Hat Kid's bed.

[Kelrycor]

For me, the whole world is just a dream of a little girl. Though this is not a popular one, as the devs stated on discord that everything "is real" or "really happened". Still I personally stick to my theory because there are some clues it might be a dream ( also found one evidence in the bedrom), but there is no evidence it isn't. So if the devs insist on it, they just made terrible mistakes in the storytelling.

So, not only Subcon is a dream for me - all of it.

You can find details here of this discussion:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/253230/discussions/1/1634166237643264995/

[Dr. Treefrog]

The reason for the name Subcon goes back to earlier stages in the game's development. Early on, Subcon Forest was a world inside the subconscious of Tim, the CEO of Time. Come to think of it, it's possible that the telescope's placement in the bedroom is a nod to this; personally, I always just associated that placement with the dreamlike setting of Subcon Forest rather than with the possibility than it actually being a dream in any capacity. So that's my interpretation.

I do like to think that everything is real in-universe; I guess I find it more interesting to think that the world in the game is real and has meaning and logic to it... something like that, anyway.

[Scout.jpg (She/They/He)]

edited it with an additional piece of evidence! this one REALLY sells the theory.

[Kelrycor]

Originally posted by Super Scout:

edited it with an additional piece of evidence! this one REALLY sells the theory.

This supports it, yes, but is nothing too fancy as Subcon is situated in the room (it does not drag you through the whole spacecraft hub. But I am absolutely your opinion.
If you didn't finished the game, don't read further.

My personal evidence list that everything is just a dream of a little girl:

• you see kid sleeping at the beginning and the end
  
• at the end she has toys of the characters she met right next to her
  
• there is a mobile in kid's bedroom with some of the characters she met (or will meet)
  
• the devs wanted to make a Mario clone, Super Mario Bros 2 had the same dream concept
  
• absolutely weird physics (air in space, mafia can just "walk" to the spaceship, big lava faucets, lava cakes, mafia boss in jar still living, etc.)
  
• the kid does not really talks, she is more like a bystander in dialogues
  
• the worlds of the different chapters are not really connected (though some few characters reappearances happen)
  
• there is no particular lore at all
  
• you cannot permanently die (though Snatcher does remember you dying)

How can she have a mobile with characters on it she didn't met yet? No one of those characters are stating that they already met her and remember her.

Though it is not canon, the only real explanation is a dream. In a dream you have often separated scenes and places that can switch in an instance. Things can happen that are absolutely against any laws of physics. You cannot die. The dreaming person most of the time don't speak actively, peoples are more like reading your mind, and you are like a listener. In dreams everything is evolving around you, you cannot influence it (though your expectactions and fears do alter your dreams - but this is another matter).
Kid did not stitched the toys in the bed at the end by herself like some people stated, she always had them in the real world - the very same goes for the mobile which is there from the beginning. She was clearly influenced by her toys, so she dreamed of them. The spacecraft is most likely just a twisted form of here true home.

I don't care what one of the devs is saying. I stick to my opinion: they made a red car, but wanted us to have a blue one. The game will remain "red" for me unless they definitely paint it "blue" by patching the game or adding proper scenes to the game that is clearing this out.

You know, even devs can make mistakes ;)

It wouldn't be the first work in which the authors transported a wrong message to the audience and were surprised that a discussion amongst the fans occur.

In the longrun it doesn't matter. As the game is great as it is, and it does not change anything if it is a dream or not. So everyone is free to decide whether to believe it or not :)

[Dr. Treefrog]

Originally posted by Kelrycor:

Originally posted by Super Scout:

edited it with an additional piece of evidence! this one REALLY sells the theory.

This supports it, yes, but is nothing too fancy as Subcon is situated in the room (it does not drag you through the whole spacecraft hub. But I am absolutely your opinion.
If you didn't finished the game, don't read further.

My personal evidence list that everything is just a dream of a little girl:

• you see kid sleeping at the beginning and the end
  
• at the end she has toys of the characters she met right next to her
  
• there is a mobile in kid's bedroom with some of the characters she met (or will meet)
  
• the devs wanted to make a Mario clone, Super Mario Bros 2 had the same dream concept
  
• absolutely weird physics (air in space, mafia can just "walk" to the spaceship, big lava faucets, lava cakes, mafia boss in jar still living, etc.)
  
• the kid does not really talks, she is more like a bystander in dialogues
  
• the worlds of the different chapters are not really connected (though some few characters reappearances happen)
  
• there is no particular lore at all
  
• you cannot permanently die (though Snatcher does remember you dying)

How can she have a mobile with characters on it she didn't met yet? No one of those characters are stating that they already met her and remember her.

Though it is not canon, the only real explanation is a dream. In a dream you have often separated scenes and places that can switch in an instance. Things can happen that are absolutely against any laws of physics. You cannot die. The dreaming person most of the time don't speak actively, peoples are more like reading your mind, and you are like a listener. In dreams everything is evolving around you, you cannot influence it (though your expectactions and fears do alter your dreams - but this is another matter).
Kid did not stitched the toys in the bed at the end by herself like some people stated, she always had them in the real world - the very same goes for the mobile which is there from the beginning. She was clearly influenced by her toys, so she dreamed of them. The spacecraft is most likely just a twisted form of here true home.

I don't care what one of the devs is saying. I stick to my opinion: they made a red car, but wanted us to have a blue one. The game will remain "red" for me unless they definitely paint it "blue" by patching the game or adding proper scenes to the game that is clearing this out.

You know, even devs can make mistakes ;)

It wouldn't be the first work in which the authors transported a wrong message to the audience and were surprised that a discussion amongst the fans occur.

In the longrun it doesn't matter. As the game is great as it is, and it does not change anything if it is a dream or not. So everyone is free to decide whether to believe it or not :)

Firstly, seeing her asleep at the beginning and the end does not necessarily mean that the whole game was a dream; there is nothing at all unusual about sleeping, especially after a long and taxing adventure.
As for the toys, there is no confirmation in-game that Hat Kid made those herself. I speculate that they were made by some toy company that was familiar with the creatures of Earth and used them as models for their dolls.
It is a fantasy world in a work of fiction, so I'm not sure I see why the occurrence of such strange things as you mentioned should make it a dream.
If I recall correctly, the thread you mentioned earlier pointed out that Hat Kid might not speak frequently due to being an alien and therefore probably not having a solid grasp on the planet's languages. Silent or semi-silent protagonists aren't uncommon anyway.
Impermanent death is a very common thing in video games, and Snatcher does plenty of fourth wall breaking (I guess that always seemed normal to me since he's a supernatural being). I like to think of it as time manipulation, since Hat Kid is a time traveler or something (I think?).

I'm not saying you can't think of the events of the game as a dream if you'd like, although personally I can't see the appeal of that interpretation. But it is not the canon interpretation, and I don't personally see any compelling evidence to support it.