So DJ Grooves vs the Conductor who was meant to win (Spoiler)

[FrostFire DireWolf]

Okay, So I just finished the last boss fight of act two and I have to say. With all of hat kid's diary entries, and how all the birds act, down to the boss fight with the moveset. I think it was heavily implied that you mainly helped DJ Grooves win the award and he betrays you. I mean as far as "official" goes. I know it is player choice but I feel like in the Dev's head while making it they had a lean for Grooves being the guy that stabs you in the back.

Thoughts?

[God's Chosen Procrastinator]

I think Grooves was the intended boss. It just seems... almost perfect, considering that Conductor uses Grooves' hitbox and "nice guy turns out to be villain and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ turns out to be surprisingly supportive" is the kind of twist you'd probably see in one of the directors' films.

[unendingEmpathy]

If I'm reading the original trailers for Battle of the Birds right in the scenes showed, I think the original idea would have had the plot run much differently, with the Owl Express crashing into the Moon and apparently unused lines referring to Conductor being drunk as hell afterword. If I remember right, apparently a character known as the Shapeshifter would have appeared during the Murder of the Owl Express, transforming into various characters and trying to cover his tracks, and the idea is that maybe afterword, you'd have to fight the Conductor who is mistaking you for the Shapeshifter or perhaps falling for the Shapeshifter's ploy.

My idea of the rough path maybe originally going is that DJ put the Shapeshifter on the Owl Express to sabatoge Conductor's movie, and he would always win the award, which means you'll always fight him. I am assuming this because his voice lines in the trailer seem to hint him to be more cunning and underhanded, but now the same voice lines are just filtered and used for the nooses in Subcon.

[Konako]

Also the fact that it's way easier to get points for DJ Grooves than for the conductor

[live22morrow]

I think as written in the main game, it's easy to see either as the villain. You can see the Conductor as a careless maniac who doesn't care about anything but his awards, or he might be a creative auteur willing to risk in everything to make the perfect movie. DJ Grove's ploy in the Owl Murder could be seen as him genuinely being nice and trying to help out a creatively bankrupt colleague, or it could be him mocking the Conductor in his own film set.

The boss is also fairly neutral, featuring evenly attacks from both sides. Uses the disco balls, camera flashes, cars, and parade owls from Grooves. And from the Conductor uses the knife attacks, sawblades, and bomb timer.

[Human Person]

Well, while I think both characters as bosses are equal, the actual editor for the game puts the conductor as the main boss, and D.J. Grooves, as just a different type of conductor boss. There is also the fact that the conductor was created way before D.J. Grooves, in a chapter call The Science Express, which most likely means that they simply just made the Conductor boss fight first, and when they moved the chapter to dead bird studios, they kept the boss fight in, and added a D.J. Grooves, version of it. I still think both bosses are equally good plots, with D.J. Grooves being a cool twist villain, and the Conductor just overall making more sense, as he constantly proves he really doesn't care about you. This probably is my favorite Chapter for this reason alone.

[FrostFire DireWolf]

I mean sure. In the Alpha and maybe even Beta phase the shape Shifter or the Conductor. But since Hat Kid is the main reason one wins. And it is pretty clear she likes Grooves WAAAAAY more than the Conductor. It makes sense that she would help him win. I also think the boss has more grooves themed things. The Parade being a key factor. I didn't even think about the knife and saw blades.

But even that makes sense. As in the heart to heart he said he stole the bomb, and it makes sense with that line he would stole the other props from the boss fight as well.

Also the diary made it seem like she was some what legit shocked by the backstab. I think she is smart enough to have guessed the Conductor would have done something like that.

[Mariotehplumber]

Conductor.

[BoostWorm]

I'll just say that I made DJ Grooves win because I just knew that was going to let me fight him.

[Donya]

I chosed DJ Grooves and I defeated him finally.
I want to know Is there different endings??

[unendingEmpathy]

Well I wouldn't say "endings", because the only thing changed is who helps you and who jumps off the deep end, and other than one line Conductor says during Arctic Cruise, which side you picked has no influence on the main story at all

[Donya]

Thank you so much Robby Shenanigans. After "final reward"(yes, I fight DJ Grooves) , I concern about which of them should I make winner. I'll choose Conductor for winner in next.

[Six LNii]

Originally posted by Robby Shenanigans:

If I'm reading the original trailers for Battle of the Birds right in the scenes showed, I think the original idea would have had the plot run much differently, with the Owl Express crashing into the Moon and apparently unused lines referring to Conductor being drunk as hell afterword. If I remember right, apparently a character known as the Shapeshifter would have appeared during the Murder of the Owl Express, transforming into various characters and trying to cover his tracks, and the idea is that maybe afterword, you'd have to fight the Conductor who is mistaking you for the Shapeshifter or perhaps falling for the Shapeshifter's ploy.

My idea of the rough path maybe originally going is that DJ put the Shapeshifter on the Owl Express to sabatoge Conductor's movie, and he would always win the award, which means you'll always fight him. I am assuming this because his voice lines in the trailer seem to hint him to be more cunning and underhanded, but now the same voice lines are just filtered and used for the nooses in Subcon.

And considering that Conductor uses a larger DJ Grooves hitbox, you’re r pretty much right.

[Six LNii]

Originally posted by Donya:

I chosed DJ Grooves and I defeated him finally.
I want to know Is there different endings??

Nothing changes. The only thing that changes with the Conductor is voice lines and the set up of the stage and arena. Besides that, the fight and ending remains the same.

[some one]

plot twist: nobody was meant to win.

[Spike_Bop]

Originally posted by Some one:

plot twist: nobody was meant to win.

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