"Rotate pls" and "U r ballchaser" in 2v2

[Soulless]

What I have observed from my games (Dia 1/2) is that people usually come up with those two statements.

The people who say "rotate pls" are usually the ones that never leave the goalline or always stay on our half of the pitch and/or never rotate forward, even when told to,

and the people who say "U r ballchaser" are usually the ones that never try to get the ball, they will steal the boost in front of you only to run away, and when they are facing a 1v1 situation, they just back away forever until they get scored on.

Here's a couple of tips, a rotation is a two-way deal, one player has to rotate, and so does the other one. You can't have two players on the same ball doing the same thing. I will rotate back, if you rotate forward. If you don't, then I'm not giving up the posession or the pressure for nothing.

There is a difference between "chasing" and "defending". Me trying to get the ball back from the enemy team is not chasing, it's defending.

Another great tip, if your stats are "0 goals, 0 assists, 0 saves and 1 shot", and you have a quarter, or a third of the poitns that I have, don't talk. At least try to play up to your rank, so I don't have to feel like I'm playing in Gold 2 again.

[John Hadley]

Points don't mean a damn thing. Ball chasers can have twice as many points as their teammates and still lose the game almost single handedly by preventing everyone else on the team from getting any offensive followups and screwing them over on defense repeatedly by jumping in front of them when they try to clear the ball on defense, resulting in double commits and wide open nets.

[Daredeviler_21]

I'm dia 2 across most modes, and tend to default to a passive play style with randos, so this post is kind of directed to someone like me, so I feel my response could be constructive.

Having to rely on rotating FORWARD leads to double or over commits, because the person on the ball could be trying to keep possession of it, and unless they are hyper aware at our level, they will not see their team mate pushing forward in the rotation 9 times out of 10. As the last man back, it's your job to shadow defend, and push forward when you see your other team mate start to retreat, it's reactionary on the last man back's position, the one who's forward is generally too preoccupied with the ball and the opponents in front of them to have to worry about when their team mate is pushing, which, again, would be an over commit. If you're the last one back and you push in 2's, you're ball chasing, wait for your team mate to give up possession of the ball when they either start to go collect a big boost that's not right next to the ball, or when they start to rotate to the back post.

A lack of points doesn't denote skill, in fact it was well documented in a Youtube video by someone, maybe Cbell, where high scoring players were pitted against low scoring players. The conclusion was that a team with both type of players would win over two high scorers or two low scorers. High points indicates aggressive play style and mechanics, with the speed to match, whilst low score indicates awareness, positioning, good decision making, patience and a defensive play style. These stereotypical types aren't the rule though, and there are always exceptions, and one huge skill is being able to play both styles.

If you feel like your team mate is letting you down, then it is YOU who needs to adapt to them, it sucks but it's what is needed to win. Play around them, for example if they suck at defending, play passive yourself and essentially be the goal keeper, to try and give them a hint to push and be the aggressor, as they push, push with them, but not so close that if the ball gets past them it's a free goal, be the last one back and be prepared to make a shot if they pass over the enemy's net.

The problems you mention, it's tough to know who's at fault without an actual replay or video to give tips, but if there is one ugly truth it's that if you lose, there is always something you did wrong that could be improved. This applies to both you and your team mate. That's why you're dia, and not a pro SSL.

[Alucard]

lol what?! You know you're not supposed to just take the ball from your own tm8 right? So why wouldnt your tm8s be keeping enough space to see everything thats happening and wait in a good position until you rotate back? You're supposed to rotate back on your own, and then your tm8 follows suit by moving up. Also not sure why you brought up points, pretty much anyone whos good at the game knows points dont matter. Those who truly chase nonstop tend to have the most points except they didnt ever do anything with the ball. Lastly if you're actively going after the opponents after you already lost the ball just to get it back...you're chasing. Taking the ball back is honestly one of the easiest things to do if you know how to predict plays and read movements.

[Soulless]

Originally posted by John Hadley:

Points don't mean a damn thing. Ball chasers can have twice as many points as their teammates and still lose the game almost single handedly by preventing everyone else on the team from getting any offensive followups and screwing them over on defense repeatedly by jumping in front of them when they try to clear the ball on defense, resulting in double commits and wide open nets.

That's why I was pointing out not just the points, but the stats also. If they are very close to 0 0 0 0, and have low points, not just one or the other, both, then it's saying something.

[Soulless]

Originally posted by Daredeviler_21:

I'm dia 2 across most modes, and tend to default to a passive play style with randos, so this post is kind of directed to someone like me, so I feel my response could be constructive.

Having to rely on rotating FORWARD leads to double or over commits, because the person on the ball could be trying to keep possession of it, and unless they are hyper aware at our level, they will not see their team mate pushing forward in the rotation 9 times out of 10. As the last man back, it's your job to shadow defend, and push forward when you see your other team mate start to retreat, it's reactionary on the last man back's position, the one who's forward is generally too preoccupied with the ball and the opponents in front of them to have to worry about when their team mate is pushing, which, again, would be an over commit. If you're the last one back and you push in 2's, you're ball chasing, wait for your team mate to give up possession of the ball when they either start to go collect a big boost that's not right next to the ball, or when they start to rotate to the back post.

A lack of points doesn't denote skill, in fact it was well documented in a Youtube video by someone, maybe Cbell, where high scoring players were pitted against low scoring players. The conclusion was that a team with both type of players would win over two high scorers or two low scorers. High points indicates aggressive play style and mechanics, with the speed to match, whilst low score indicates awareness, positioning, good decision making, patience and a defensive play style. These stereotypical types aren't the rule though, and there are always exceptions, and one huge skill is being able to play both styles.

If you feel like your team mate is letting you down, then it is YOU who needs to adapt to them, it sucks but it's what is needed to win. Play around them, for example if they suck at defending, play passive yourself and essentially be the goal keeper, to try and give them a hint to push and be the aggressor, as they push, push with them, but not so close that if the ball gets past them it's a free goal, be the last one back and be prepared to make a shot if they pass over the enemy's net.

The problems you mention, it's tough to know who's at fault without an actual replay or video to give tips, but if there is one ugly truth it's that if you lose, there is always something you did wrong that could be improved. This applies to both you and your team mate. That's why you're dia, and not a pro SSL.

1. You can always do a retake from a defensive position, if you think you can score or improve the situation. BUT, you should say "I got it" when you do. And I think that is a problem too. Some people that do actually rotate and retake posession, never say a word. I know the quick chat is customizable, but "I got it" and "Take the shot" should always, 100 % of the time, be there, and be used.

2. I wasn't just saying points, I said stats and points. If someone's got 0 0 0 1, while spending most of the time on the goal line, and we have conceded 3 goals, and they have a total of 100 points, then they surely need to step up.

3. I try to play the adaptive game, I think I can see whether or not a player is technical, or brute, passive or aggressive, offensively or defensively minded. But with some players, there really is not much to cling on. When they lack even the most basic abilities, like moving around the pitch, or scoring on an empty net (multiple times, I get it, you can whiff on one, but if you do it consistently, in Diamond, that's unacceptable), you can't do much. You can be the goalie, but if you are already losing, the lower-skilled teammate is not going to score himself, nor will he provide a scoring chance for you. 9 out of 10 times, when I do turn that kind of game around, it's purely my effort, juking two players, or forcing the enemy team into errors, while the other guy still does his shtick.

4. No. You can have a perfect game and still lose, if your teammate is perfectly bad. For example, some kickoffs, you can't avoid. If they decide to do some crazy spin jump boost move and they miss, and they just give away two free goals like that, you can't do anything. Even if I always go to the goalline, I save the first shot, then they get a second one, with no one to defend. There are some things, in this game, in life, that you have no control over, that can swing it either way, and swing it hard. I don't want to play SSL, I don't even know what that is. I am playing it casually, on PC, on a keyboard, I am proud of where I got. I just want competetive games. Even if I lose, I don't care, as long as the experience is alright (balanced teams, good work from the teammate or at least effort, no toxic messages, these things).

[Soulless]

Originally posted by Alucard:

lol what?! You know you're not supposed to just take the ball from your own tm8 right? So why wouldnt your tm8s be keeping enough space to see everything thats happening and wait in a good position until you rotate back? You're supposed to rotate back on your own, and then your tm8 follows suit by moving up. Also not sure why you brought up points, pretty much anyone whos good at the game knows points dont matter. Those who truly chase nonstop tend to have the most points except they didnt ever do anything with the ball. Lastly if you're actively going after the opponents after you already lost the ball just to get it back...you're chasing. Taking the ball back is honestly one of the easiest things to do if you know how to predict plays and read movements.

Actually, if your teammate is struggling with the ball, you can let him know that you want to retake via quick chat, and he can either say yes or no, or just let him know and take it. If you can improve the situation, why not.

I didn't say points, but rather, stats and points, they both matter.

"Actively going after the ball after losing it is chasing" - No. It's trying to regain posession. Chasing is non-stop going after the ball with ballcam on, relentlessly, even trying to steal balls, goals, from your teammate. This is different, very different.