You could NEVER convince me match making isn't rigged

[m8kr]

I was playing A LOT of rocket league. Maybe 10-20 games a day and practicing in freeplay, workshops, dribbles, rings, etc. It was looking like it wasn't paying off, I was getting insanely better and my rank wasn't budging at all. But then I slowly started to climb up, DII, DIII, CI, alll most champ II, then the losing queue. Game after game after game of insanely horrible players (for being diamond/champ that is). I went from nearly CII all the way down to DII.

So I quit. 4 days not a single game of rocket league. All of my hard work meant nothing, My rank went right back to where it started. After the four days I played a MAX of 5 games a day. First day I won all 5, second day 4/5, 3rd day 4/5, this whole week, playing only 5 games a day, winning nearly all of them. No practice, no warm up, no drills, no nothing. I am now almost in champ II again.... Not doing a damn thing...

Now I know you fan bois are going to make some mental argument, "yea man you were burnt out, needed a break. Now you are playing your max blah blah blah." OR the, "you came back and were excited to play so now you are playing better...." Truth is I didn't want to come back, in fact I have thought match making was rigged for a while, so I DELIBERATELY only played 5 games with 0 practice to see what would happen. In fact as I am writing this, I feel completely unaccomplished in getting back to champion, why? It wasn't me, it was an algorithm that setup the matches.

As for the tilt or playing worse because of mentally being off your game, sure there is basis to this. I mean sports psychology is a real thing, BUT in this game its the same pattern. destroy game after game, then **flick**, light switch goes on and its time to lose. Additionally other components of life happen. IF these losing streaks were completely psychological, mood would play a significant role in the reversal of such terrible games, but it does not. When its time to lose in rocket league, its time to lose.

My personal belief... video game match making is being skewed to be more lenient to average players. They are designed to have highs and lows to get players addicted, much like gambling. Sure I have no proof of this, though there are articles I have found that would strongly insinuate this as fact. In rocket league I have come to see it as a tethering effect. The game thinks you are suppose to be at a particular rank, if you lose too much, you are allowed to win again to return to this "home" rank. If you win too much, you will be forced to lose until you return to the rank the game wants you at. Granted, as you get better, it slowly but surely allows you to gain minimal increases in your home rank.

Long rant, but I truly do believe match making is rigged. You win when the game wants you to, and lose when it wants you too as well. I might keep playing, who knows. I figure to the average person, who cares if it is rigged, its suppose to be fun right? But slogging through another 20-30 games designed to make me lose, is not and will never be fun.

[Toothbrush Cheapwood]

It s a mad cuz bad situation here.
Guys you have to accept defeat. If you don't accept defeat, you will lose the next match. It's why you lose guys.

[VANgelis CARvlidis]

You are totally right. Check out my discussion about Rocket League's Mafia!

[m8kr]

Postat inițial de Vitas:

Its been like that for ALONG time with every single online multiplayer game............................

Postat inițial de Munchies:

It's the same in any online game. I remember spawn campers in counterstrike, killing people when they start... I remember the same in Battlefield, I remember the same in unreal tournament... In RL, you have air dribbling double-flip-resetting musty flickers in silver & gold.

The practice is as ancient as the original profession from street corners. It always has, and will always be.

PS, play drunk. That way you really don't care if you win or lose... you only care the next day checking what the hell you did with a pounding head :D

Has it though? I was thinking about this when considering all of this. I remember face rolling people all day long in the original COD. Or what about WoW? If you were horde, you lost battlegrounds before they even began..

Even when I used to play LoL a lot I have never had such beautifully impressive losing streaks as I do in RL.

I admit it could all be in my head, and utter nonsense, but I really don't think it is.

[Hamless Hog]

Postat inițial de m8kr:

Postat inițial de Vitas:

Its been like that for ALONG time with every single online multiplayer game............................

Postat inițial de Munchies:

It's the same in any online game. I remember spawn campers in counterstrike, killing people when they start... I remember the same in Battlefield, I remember the same in unreal tournament... In RL, you have air dribbling double-flip-resetting musty flickers in silver & gold.

The practice is as ancient as the original profession from street corners. It always has, and will always be.

PS, play drunk. That way you really don't care if you win or lose... you only care the next day checking what the hell you did with a pounding head :D

Has it though? I was thinking about this when considering all of this. I remember face rolling people all day long in the original COD. Or what about WoW? If you were horde, you lost battlegrounds before they even began..

Even when I used to play LoL a lot I have never had such beautifully impressive losing streaks as I do in RL.

I admit it could all be in my head, and utter nonsense, but I really don't think it is.

Postat inițial de m8kr:

Postat inițial de Vitas:

Its been like that for ALONG time with every single online multiplayer game............................

Postat inițial de Munchies:

It's the same in any online game. I remember spawn campers in counterstrike, killing people when they start... I remember the same in Battlefield, I remember the same in unreal tournament... In RL, you have air dribbling double-flip-resetting musty flickers in silver & gold.

The practice is as ancient as the original profession from street corners. It always has, and will always be.

PS, play drunk. That way you really don't care if you win or lose... you only care the next day checking what the hell you did with a pounding head :D

Has it though? I was thinking about this when considering all of this. I remember face rolling people all day long in the original COD. Or what about WoW? If you were horde, you lost battlegrounds before they even began..

Even when I used to play LoL a lot I have never had such beautifully impressive losing streaks as I do in RL.

I admit it could all be in my head, and utter nonsense, but I really don't think it is.

Well rocket league does have a ranking system, that may have something to do with it. Is there any real reason or evidence to show it’s not just in your head?

[m8kr]

Postat inițial de Hogarth:

Well rocket league does have a ranking system, that may have something to do with it. Is there any real reason or evidence to show it’s not just in your head?

No real evidence, it's difficult to prove. Truthfully the ranking system isn't all that horrible, I do believe I should be in low champ, some days high diamond and that's where I often am.

The real argument I am making is that the winning and losing streaks are too extreme to be purely organic. Sure I could get in my head and have off days, but the result of dropping such a significant amount of MMR only to gain it back with little to no effort 4x as quickly... that's what doesn't make sense. And the fact that it happens with such regularity in this game, it's so unlikely to be a coincidence.

We are talking you have to be off your game to a significant degree, and get matched with horrible team mates against better opponents for 15-20 games or so... It would be so unlikely and require some pretty significant bad luck.

One other thing I am considering is the difference in skills levels... In champ I you can rely on team mates to make good plays, in fact its detrimental to interfere with a team mate when they have the ball. In DII... That is not the case, at all... So perhaps a big component that contributes to a drop is the players perception of their team mates and opponents skill level. In one sentence, you get spoiled playing with better players and forget how to win against worse players.

[Hamless Hog]

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Postat inițial de Hogarth:

Well rocket league does have a ranking system, that may have something to do with it. Is there any real reason or evidence to show it’s not just in your head?

No real evidence, it's difficult to prove. Truthfully the ranking system isn't all that horrible, I do believe I should be in low champ, some days high diamond and that's where I often am.

The real argument I am making is that the winning and losing streaks are too extreme to be purely organic. Sure I could get in my head and have off days, but the result of dropping such a significant amount of MMR only to gain it back with little to no effort 4x as quickly... that's what doesn't make sense. And the fact that it happens with such regularity in this game, it's so unlikely to be a coincidence.

We are talking you have to be off your game to a significant degree, and get matched with horrible team mates against better opponents for 15-20 games or so... It would be so unlikely and require some pretty significant bad luck.

One other thing I am considering is the difference in skills levels... In champ I you can rely on team mates to make good plays, in fact its detrimental to interfere with a team mate when they have the ball. In DII... That is not the case, at all... So perhaps a big component that contributes to a drop is the players perception of their team mates and opponents skill level. In one sentence, you get spoiled playing with better players and forget how to win against worse players.

well in higher ranks they have better people and in lower ranks they have worse people. if you lose a lot your rank will lower making the games easier. if you win a lot your rank will go up making the games harder, maybe this has something to do with it.

as for the 15-20 game comment thing, yes that would be very bad luck thats why it rarely happens.

[Winged Hussar]

The downward spiral is real. As you drop, you rank with worse players and that causes you to lose more games. Then eventually you get to a bottom where players are so bad that you start to win. I know once I went from Diamond II to Gold III, where I felt I was totally on my own. I usually bobble between Plat III and Diamond 1, never to progress further. I'm suspicious that the jump from Diamond II to III is so great that the skill need to succeed is beyond what I can ever do with my limited time. I also suspect that the game fills slots with less skilled players just to keep the queue times short.

You can get pretty far in this game just be hitting the ball accurately towards the goal and there's like a 50% chance the goaltender misses, if there even is one.

[Alucard]

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Postat inițial de m8kr:

No real evidence, it's difficult to prove. Truthfully the ranking system isn't all that horrible, I do believe I should be in low champ, some days high diamond and that's where I often am.

The real argument I am making is that the winning and losing streaks are too extreme to be purely organic. Sure I could get in my head and have off days, but the result of dropping such a significant amount of MMR only to gain it back with little to no effort 4x as quickly... that's what doesn't make sense. And the fact that it happens with such regularity in this game, it's so unlikely to be a coincidence.

We are talking you have to be off your game to a significant degree, and get matched with horrible team mates against better opponents for 15-20 games or so... It would be so unlikely and require some pretty significant bad luck.

One other thing I am considering is the difference in skills levels... In champ I you can rely on team mates to make good plays, in fact its detrimental to interfere with a team mate when they have the ball. In DII... That is not the case, at all... So perhaps a big component that contributes to a drop is the players perception of their team mates and opponents skill level. In one sentence, you get spoiled playing with better players and forget how to win against worse players.

well in higher ranks they have better people and in lower ranks they have worse people. if you lose a lot your rank will lower making the games easier. if you win a lot your rank will go up making the games harder, maybe this has something to do with it.

as for the 15-20 game comment thing, yes that would be very bad luck thats why it rarely happens.

Except for when you get a string of players in the process of being boosted and end up de-ranking because of it. Also in the higher ranks not everyone is that great, theres a good amount of ppl who either paid to get boosted or were carried up into diamond and sometimes low champ as others have also noticed. Its why you see so many mm and this game is bad type posts. This game has issues and because of complacency from the devs they've only gotten worse and its affecting others even up to GC. The up side is the number of players playing at one time has dropped since f2p dropped initially. I've noticed less instances of having a gold or silver brought into my games by another, and im seeing less players who cant keep up at D3 and higher.

[Butt Spenza]

Oh, there's a match maker?
I always thought there are just tons of 3-guy-groups out there and as soon as 3 random people have gathered in the matchmaker they get fed to them.

[Shadow4869]

I agree that since Epic took over Match Maker has been completely screwed. Before Epic I was working my way up diamond ranks. Spent two seasons mid to high diamond with a handful of C1 matches and then Epic bought it.....
I'm now LUCKY to get diamond 2 in both 3v3 and 2v2 now. I spend most of my time in low diamond high plat. There are people in low diamond matches that I know play more like low champ. I went on an over 2 hour losing streak the other night. The match making is truly horrific now. It's rare to have two teams that are around the same skill level anymore.
I'm sick of getting 5 to 10 wins followed by 10 to 20 losses.
Also side rant, The free kids with 10 accounts because they are all banned is absolutely insane. people have told me they don't care if they are reported that have over 10 accounts. Epic needs to do IP bans not account bans!

[Kiirozu]

Postat inițial de Shadow4869:

I agree that since Epic took over Match Maker has been completely screwed. Before Epic I was working my way up diamond ranks. Spent two seasons mid to high diamond with a handful of C1 matches and then Epic bought it.....
I'm now LUCKY to get diamond 2 in both 3v3 and 2v2 now. I spend most of my time in low diamond high plat. There are people in low diamond matches that I know play more like low champ. I went on an over 2 hour losing streak the other night. The match making is truly horrific now. It's rare to have two teams that are around the same skill level anymore.
I'm sick of getting 5 to 10 wins followed by 10 to 20 losses.
Also side rant, The free kids with 10 accounts because they are all banned is absolutely insane. people have told me they don't care if they are reported that have over 10 accounts. Epic needs to do IP bans not account bans!

Nice bump. The skill difference between plat - champ is minimal, if at all noticeable. Since F2P more and more ppl seem to be boosted, it's not uncommon to see completely brain dead people at diamond and above.
The RL-community is crap, there's no fair play, no sportmanship and care for anybody else.

[Shadow4869]

I agree with brain dead people in diamond buuut! I didn't see plat for 2 seasons straight! The games were much more even in skill among the player base on average in matches. I have a theory that I'm going to test next season though. I am plat to diamond in all extra game modes cause I don't play them that often and 1v1 I'm plat.
Next season I won't play a single game of extra modes or 1v1 and see what Match Maker does. I think it might be forcing my 2v2 and 3v3 to have large losing streaks.
The Reason I think that is 2 seasons of high diamond average and now I'm lucky to be diamond.
Before Epic bought the game I would bounce steadily between low to high ranks of the same division ex, gold to plat I almost never saw silver, plat to diamond I never saw gold, and then diamond to champ I never saw plat. Also within each ranking system as I got better I would consistently be div 1-2 to 2-3 to 3-4 before I was able to actually rank from gold to plat and plat to diamond. The diamond to champ was going to same way until Epic bought the game.

[[GER] Gabe well]

There are even braindead people in GC, they dont know sh*t about basics, all they can do is double commit and chase the ball like dogs. I ask myself, how in the world did the become GC? ? This isnt possible. Its simply not possible to be so sh*t in this rank. It is not possible.

[wiredhands]

Personally I've been hovering low to high tier diamond for a few seasons I think. I could just get a team of mates to play with and it would be better as I wouldn't have to deal with solo queuing and random team mates, but I just cba. So technically I play in a no advancement hell of my own creation.

[Thatguyujustmet]

Imagine putting all that work into designing some sort of "master gambling" system, only to realize that what your creating is something that happens naturally in every game ever made... What a waste of resources and time that would be.