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Nemesis Jan 15, 2020 @ 10:47am
BakkesMod
Is this CHEAT software bannable? I didnt find any post where the devs said anything about it. Kinda unfair, it tells you where the ball is going to go, gives unlimited boost etc. Any offical statement on this?

Its very embarrassing that in an online game this kind of cheating is possible...
Originally posted by Brawndo - The Thirst Mutilator:
Originally posted by Doomstrike:
Where as predictions and ball paths are all calculated and are all server side not client side so there is no cheat or possibility of this happening
The client constantly simulates the gamestate, the data that is available to the client is sufficient to predict ball paths and a show radar/minimap.

Originally posted by Nemesis:
If you allow this "mod" to run in online matches what tells you that it doesnt also do the ball tracing stuff additionally to the "legit" mmr stuff?
Because BakkesMod simply does not allow predictions in online games. If you don't believe all users on this forum, just install it yourself.
You could argue that an anti-cheat feature in general would be useful, but banning a mod that does not allow any user to gain an unfair advantage in online games is just stupid.

While you could technically gain an advantage with such mods, I doubt that it will be much useful for everyone above (very) low bronze. You quickly get a more or less precise feeling for the path of the ball and proper positioning, teamplay and mechanical skills will quickly be much more important.

Including any anti-cheat features for such a small thing would propably a huge waste of time and ressources, as these things always escalate into cat and mouse games. Devs will improve the cheat detection, cheaters will modify their code, rinse and repeat...

The whole issue is only theoretical, nobody actually wants or uses such mods. If you look at typical places where hacks are traded, you will notice that nobody cares about ball predictions and everyone is looking for boosting services.
Cheaters don't want a tool that might help them to get a bit better, they want someone else to boost them, so they look like much better players, without doing anything.
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No you can't get banned for using bekkesmod/alphaconsole
Moniboi Jan 15, 2020 @ 10:53am 
It doesn't do that in online games. It's not a cheat or unfairness.
Nemesis Jan 15, 2020 @ 10:54am 
Originally posted by Moniboi:
It doesn't do that in online games. It's not a cheat or unfairness.

Well this stinks more than alot, predicting the ball atleast should be no problem technically even in a online game, the devs should just ban this software...
Last edited by Nemesis; Jan 15, 2020 @ 10:55am
owen Jan 15, 2020 @ 11:02am 
there are no hacks for this game.
Bonberjean Jan 15, 2020 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by Nemesis:
Originally posted by Moniboi:
It doesn't do that in online games. It's not a cheat or unfairness.

Well this stinks more than alot, predicting the ball atleast should be no problem technically even in a online game, the devs should just ban this software...
why should they? this is just a mod to help players train, it can only be used locally... talk about being salty
https://www.reddit.com/r/RocketLeague/comments/7p2nib/bakkesmod_has_a_lot_of_features_that_are/
Nemesis Jan 15, 2020 @ 11:04am 
Originally posted by owen:
there are no hacks for this game.

This software predicts where the ball is going to go and shows you an overlay, if thats not hacks i dont know what else would be... Even when it apparently only does it in singleplayer this is something that shurely can be done in a online game too...
Ayroh Jan 15, 2020 @ 11:46am 
Originally posted by Nemesis:
Originally posted by owen:
there are no hacks for this game.
Even when it apparently only does it in singleplayer this is something that shurely can be done in a online game too...
Troll more?
Lucatiel Jan 15, 2020 @ 11:47am 
Either an idiot or a troll. Best to ignore.
Teedo Jan 15, 2020 @ 11:52am 
BakkesMod is only used in offline part of the games (excluding showing mmr). It's only possible to use in offline training and practice. Also 'cheating' Isn't really possible in the game. Back around season 1 and 2 ball tracing mods did exist however they no longer work. So no need to worry.
Nemesis Jan 15, 2020 @ 12:08pm 
Originally posted by chill:
Either an idiot or a troll. Best to ignore.
Care to explain what exactly is so unplausible about my assumption that this would work in online game too? Your game client needs to know where the ball is, from there the cheat software can easily grab that data and predict where the ball is going to go. You guys probably all doing exactly that and act like im the troll in the room here...
Zen © Jan 15, 2020 @ 1:30pm 
Being a user of Bakeksmod, to the best of my knowledge the only thing it actually does in online games of any real use is show mmr. If there are things that it does beyond that I am unaware of it since i dont look to cheat.

That being said as long as the only thing it does is show mmr I am perfectly happy with having the mod, though the devs could just include the mmr internally in the game then i personally would have never downloaded bakkesmod.
Doomstrike Jan 15, 2020 @ 2:08pm 
Bakes mod is fine and doesn't do anything other then change your car looks which only applies to you and shows you mmr.

It shows ball and all that in single player and training because in training and single player modes they are offline and ran 100% on the local client. When you play online its all server side, the mod has no way of being able to access or connect to the server.

The only reason you can see mmr in the first place is because its in the code and is just hidden. Psyonix could hit a toggle and make mmr public at any point if they wanted too. Where as predictions and ball paths are all calculated and are all server side not client side so there is no cheat or possibility of this happening
Nemesis Jan 15, 2020 @ 2:22pm 
Originally posted by Doomstrike:
ball paths are all calculated and are all server side not client side so there is no cheat or possibility of this happening

I dont wana strike a discussion but even when the ball path is calculated on the server there is nothing stopping clients from predicting it based on the received input from the server. You should just ban any 3rd party software used in online matches if you ask me... If you allow this "mod" to run in online matches what tells you that it doesnt also do the ball tracing stuff additionally to the "legit" mmr stuff?
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Originally posted by Doomstrike:
Where as predictions and ball paths are all calculated and are all server side not client side so there is no cheat or possibility of this happening
The client constantly simulates the gamestate, the data that is available to the client is sufficient to predict ball paths and a show radar/minimap.

Originally posted by Nemesis:
If you allow this "mod" to run in online matches what tells you that it doesnt also do the ball tracing stuff additionally to the "legit" mmr stuff?
Because BakkesMod simply does not allow predictions in online games. If you don't believe all users on this forum, just install it yourself.
You could argue that an anti-cheat feature in general would be useful, but banning a mod that does not allow any user to gain an unfair advantage in online games is just stupid.

While you could technically gain an advantage with such mods, I doubt that it will be much useful for everyone above (very) low bronze. You quickly get a more or less precise feeling for the path of the ball and proper positioning, teamplay and mechanical skills will quickly be much more important.

Including any anti-cheat features for such a small thing would propably a huge waste of time and ressources, as these things always escalate into cat and mouse games. Devs will improve the cheat detection, cheaters will modify their code, rinse and repeat...

The whole issue is only theoretical, nobody actually wants or uses such mods. If you look at typical places where hacks are traded, you will notice that nobody cares about ball predictions and everyone is looking for boosting services.
Cheaters don't want a tool that might help them to get a bit better, they want someone else to boost them, so they look like much better players, without doing anything.
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