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This is how EPIC can stop the massive amount of cheaters (smurfs) in the game, will they do it?
as we all know...

smurfs are a PEST/PLAGUE/....

why don't u stop them? cuz u don't know how or don't want to put time into it?


A very ez way is using statistics.... If players look like they are advancing WAAAY to fast, then just ban their account. If someone gets 5+ wins in a row in his first matches, something must be wrong. BANHAMMER!

these guys will then no more exploit the people in Plat,Dia,Champ rankings to get EZ views or EZ games...

Yeah, SOME people will get banned by accident, because they use 2 accounts across 2 diff platforms and they don't know they need to link them... just link them, add all the stats together when they're linked instead of clearing it...

In it's current way of doing things, epic is doing nothing but killing the fun for honest players... I'm also very tempted to get a new account and start playing there, but I rather keep my honor and stay a non-cheating player... if smurfing is not cheating, then why do people do it? it's not cheating the GAMEPLAY-system, it's cheating the RANKING-system, which is a part of the game, so yeah, cheating a ranking system or cheating bans or cheating with a botmod..., it's all the same! cheating is cheating, and so is smurfing.... If it's not cheating, then why do people do it? cuz it gives them an ADVANTAGE over others, which is the defenition of cheating btw; getting advantage over others by exploiting game mechanics/systems via external tools (a new email adres/account IS AN EXTERNAL TOOL BY DEFINITION!)
also, STOP doing that "rank-drop" every season...
I always lose my first 10 matches in every mode cuz i randoplay a lot... and i get BS tm's every time when i do it... I mean like people that leave, people that were carried, people that are drunk and don't care about ranks, ... If i just get a person with me that plays normal, the match can be considered a win... i'm playing way below my rank because of all this cheating that is not addressed by epic. They even call ME a cheat, but my stats don't lie.

also, that rank drop is EXACTLY what the cheaters WANT... so they have more matches to play to rank up (for those who don't know, the first 10 matches in a season (per mode/rank) is double MMR.... so you go up/down a full division on each match... just like in tournaments... and it might even have more modifiers, but it's not fair for HONEST players... which epic seems to HATE, they rather like the cheaters that cheat to get content... (yeah, u BIG YT STREAMER that's doing a "road to SSL/GC/C/DIA/PLAT/..."-series... (or done it) YOU ARE CHEATING, and that's why it works for you, not because you're "that good".

Let's see if you'd play a 1V1 vs ... let's say Messi, on a REAL pitch/field,... and he wears a face that's typical of a new player in the game. as if it's his first game.. and you think YOU are going to play a good match, but get beaten 15-0 cuz he's the best in the world but you don't know that cuz he's cheating. FUN EH? well, that's what you're doing every time u create a new account... sunlesskhan, AJ, all the others ... you're all CHEATERS that have no honor... i've caught some of you redhanded doing it, ON MY STREAM.. and yeah, i don't have thousands of viewers, but i rather have 4 people that actually like me for who i am vs 100000 people that like me for who THEY THINK I am (which means you're constantly lying to your viewers, woaw, that's really a big honor... do you tell your viewers that you CHEAT, do they know you're smurfing to create content? or don't u have the guts to tell them straightforward how you create your content? cuz i know what you guys do, and i'm one of the few that takes respect and honor seriously, not just a joke!)

no links, no ads, nothing that is forbidden... this should be open for reactions from both epic and other players...
Last edited by BoGy1980 MzegdietsasgedeesleestM; Apr 25, 2023 @ 12:48pm
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John Hadley Apr 25, 2023 @ 1:22pm 
Reasonable suspicion is not enough reason for banning people unless a company wants to end up in a class action lawsuit. Banning any player that seems good at your game seems like a great way to end all interest in your game real quick.
Originally posted by John Hadley:
Reasonable suspicion is not enough reason for banning

they don't need to be banned, they can just be locked out of their, they'd need epic's help to unlockt it. Btw epic can lock/ban anyone they want, this game is NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN as some might think, it's still their property... or do you take any hitchhiker you see with you in the car? Don't think so, so why would epic do so ?z
Madcoil Apr 25, 2023 @ 4:27pm 
Smurfing isnt cheating. Its disingenuous sure.
And how can they make a new acc and play it off as anything else. You see the name
NuttyDoggo Apr 25, 2023 @ 4:40pm 
Only have around 4,000 hours which to some is not a lot lol but I have seen maybe dozen or so at best smurfs (some questionable why they were even bothering haha). My max level sadly is only champ 1 so maybe there are more smurfs past that but at that high ranks it shouldn't make a difference imo if that's what you are going for in the first place right ? idk same for gold or lower but I can't see them sticking in the lower ranks more then a hour ?
Last edited by NuttyDoggo; Apr 25, 2023 @ 4:43pm
CPT NINGLE Apr 25, 2023 @ 5:34pm 
Bro's so butthurt he forgot what the word ''cheater'' means.
"Twas'G'lorious" Apr 25, 2023 @ 6:31pm 
we have a new monster to deal with anyways, with people using whatever it is they are using to lag peoples inputs out at challenges, or get touches on the ball out of thin air at every challenge. these past few months the challenges have been absolute magical garbage, with people getting touches on the ball, almost a car length and a half ahead of their car. half the time i can dead run at a ball without touching the joystick, low and behold when i get to the ball something yoinks on my car without me doing anything.
Originally posted by Madcoil:
Smurfing isnt cheating. Its disingenuous sure.
And how can they make a new acc and play it off as anything else. You see the name
to begin with; most of the cheaters are streamers or kids that just want ez wins. they also use mods so the game shows their name on their screen, but others see different names.

There's even mods that can change your online status in the epic friendslist (where you can normally see if they're in a game and which type of game; i've seen many people with customized "status".

how can one make a new account? ez; you go to any free mail service that doesn't require you to give up a phone nr (or get yourself your own domain), and create as many mail accounts as u want which in turn will be used on epic svcs to create as many epic accounts..

I've seen people playing with rotating accounts..
example: (the account names are just as an axample)

AJ-Daytime001 -> plays during daytime, S01 S05 S09
AJ-Daytime002 -> plays during daytime S02 S06 S10
AJ-Daytime003 -> plays during daytime S03 S07
AJ-Daytime004 -> plays during daytime S04 S08
AJ-Evening001 -> Plays during evening S01 S05 S09
AJ Evening002 -> Plays during evening S02 S07 S10
.....
is it getting clear now who are the majority of the cheaters? those that create multiple accounts because they have the time for it and because they need EZ access to content...

ow and in case AJ wants to defend himself.. I have him on YT admitting this while i caught him redhanded.

is this fair to people that play honestly? NO it's not ... it's just all for content... they switch accounts and let them "lower rank for a few seasons and then switch over continuously... I think you should realise that ANY player who plays CHAMP level or better and has only 1000 Wins on his account is BY DEFAULT a cheat.

Smurfing is not cheating against the gameplay, but it's cheating against the ranking system. It's getting yourself a benefit which is not part of the game, by modifying your credentials (changing to new mail adres for logging in) which you were not supposed to have. Like i said before, what if in real life you start playing a competitive sport, eg ping-pong... and you're in a regional tournament where you have big chance to win cuz you're "good". and suddenly the world champ shows up cuz he's greedy and wants it all for him (the prizemoney), he has a second ID (a fake one) which he uses to sub himself and nobody recognizes him. we all know the outcome, everyone gets demolished by him and YOUR chance to promote to a higher level is GONE... but hey, it's not cheating right? it's not harmful to others, right?
If you defend this kind of behaviour, you're one of the reasons why there is so much toxicity; because i immediately see other players stats, and when i see a player with 300 wins playing like a champ, then that ruins my joy for an HONEST match, i don't care about winning or losing the game if it's fair. i like to win, but i don't care to lose from someone actually at my rank.

If you think this is all BS, then ask yourself; would a streamer that earns thousands of dollars per month, get nothing but wins all the time if he was ONLY playing against people from his own rank? No he would probably be winning only half of the matches, and since people at his rank are way better in defending, the amount of "cool shots" would drop spectacularly... They do this because it saves the TONS of time, gets them tons of cash and their viewers don't realise they're just cheating the system to gain ez wins at the cost of honest people...

just think about that pingpong (tabletennis) example; that champ would get bad press for what he did, playing under a pseudonym to "take away" the money/gains from honest players... but in RL and on twitch, people just think these "cheaters" are COOL people and they should be followed... sorry, they're just pieces of excrement if u ask me, using and abusing the system in place for their own gains at the cost of other people...

Why do people stop playing rocket league and why does the playercount drop so fast every time? very ez to explain: people just don't like it anymore that they constantly get crushed by overpowered players in 1v/2v/3v ranked games, i see players with 20 games on their account playing CHAMP tournaments..

maybe, just maybe, you should install overwolf and use tracker plugin for it.. i think your eyes will open very fast on how prevalent it has become; when u see everyone's stats before the game even starts. (and stats from all modes btw).. bakkesmod is not good to see someone's stats/rank... use tracker and you'll see very fast what's wrong with RL and why so many stop playing it...
Originally posted by NuttyFlying:
Only have around 4,000 hours which to some is not a lot lol but I have seen maybe dozen or so at best smurfs (some questionable why they were even bothering haha). My max level sadly is only champ 1 so maybe there are more smurfs past that but at that high ranks it shouldn't make a difference imo if that's what you are going for in the first place right ? idk same for gold or lower but I can't see them sticking in the lower ranks more then a hour ?

lol so little? i see at least a dozen PER DAY, sometimes even 4 in 1 MATCH ....

eg: champ level tournament; i go in random, the other team are ALL players with less than 200 wins on their account, one of my tm's has 2300 wins, and the third guy has 90 wins on his account...
That's a match we'll lose by default... even when i have +11K wins on my account... those on the other team are prolly C/GC level, that's why they cheat "in group", maybe even a proteam (yeah, they cheat too, mayb not all, but most of them do this). That honest guy on my team? well; he's probably the best of our team as he's a lot younger than me and has quicker reflexes. the cheater on my team is the worst of them all, soloing kid that thinks a new account makes him play better bcuz he ranks up a lot faster with it... usually these are the worst players of them all and have 0 teamplay skills...

if you randoqueue tournaments (at least here in europe) that's how A LOT of tournaments begin for me... seeing those stats, already knowing it's over before the match even started... i'll try my best and do everything i can, but all stuff i said in the paragraph before, will come true time and time again...
If i rando queue with 3 people from my rank and the opponents have 1 or 2 cheaters, we usually WIN, because we're AT rank, and there's a discrepancy between the level of the other team, making them worse in teamplay/rotation...

It might all sound stupid and far fetched, but if you take the time to think over what i wrote, you'll realise it's just the hard cold truth.

I said it before; if you don't believe me; install tracker plugin for overwofl, all of a sudden "mmr" because the stat you're NOT looking at anymore, but its "how much total wins do they have, what's their "XP" according to the amount of games played on this account".... is he HONEST or is he abusing a flaw in the system to gain advantage (which you say is NOT cheating?)

ow and the flaw in the system is; that your game account is not UNIQUELY tied to your person, but that you can attach as many accounts to yourself as u want, because epic doesn't do anything about it. In their mindset there are only players and money, the rest is not important... Epic is an awful company that only cares about their bank account, not about the players, don't think they do cuz i've had enough experience that they don't... why do you think their store is nothing more than just a store, (the bare minimum so they can make lots of cash) compare their store vs steam, xbox, ps.. where you have a PLATFORM that holds communities, communication between players, etc etc.. On epic you can't even send a plain text msg to a friend from one game to another. you need to start a game, create a party, and then use partychat to communicate.. in steam/xbox/PS/ you just go to your freindslist, and send whatever you want... but maintaining such systems costs money, which epic prefers to keep in their and their investors' pockets... even EA is a less evil company than epic...
Originally posted by "Twas'G'lorious":
we have a new monster to deal with anyways, with people using whatever it is they are using to lag peoples inputs out at challenges, or get touches on the ball out of thin air at every challenge. these past few months the challenges have been absolute magical garbage, with people getting touches on the ball, almost a car length and a half ahead of their car. half the time i can dead run at a ball without touching the joystick, low and behold when i get to the ball something yoinks on my car without me doing anything.

the ball is controlled by the server, i think you're having lag problems.

ow and yes, i've noticed that playing in other regions (with a lot higher PING) actually is advantageous to the ones with the higher ping.. certainly in mid-levels like plat/dia ...

that's why u see the ball suddenly changing direction. it's because of the ping and higher ranked players abusing that to get more ez wins... I've experienced it myself; scoring goals on kickoff i otherwise just can't see happening (during the game on my screen you see I touched it first, in the replay you see the opponent actually touched it first and MY hit was second and redirected the ball directly into their goal...) The thing is; i get correct input from their cars, the other team sees my car but at a delayed position, one can abuse this to let the other team think i'm gonna hit it to left, and at the time when i should do my last correction, i change directions and on the opponent his screen they don't see this anymore, so they get the impression i went for it like how i drove up to the ball, but on my screen something completely different happens...

yes using lag to introduce an advantage is happening and real... people should be locked to their regions for ranked play. IDC what happens in casual, it's called that way for a reason... but ranked should be locked to the region, just like other games do (for a very sound reason!)
Last edited by BoGy1980 MzegdietsasgedeesleestM; Apr 25, 2023 @ 11:18pm
Originally posted by Madcoil:
Smurfing isnt cheating. Its disingenuous sure.
And how can they make a new acc and play it off as anything else. You see the name

Cheating in video games involves a video game player using various methods to create an advantage beyond normal gameplay, usually in order to make the game easier. Cheats may be activated from within the game itself (a cheat code implemented by the original game developers), or created by third-party software (a game trainer or debugger) or hardware (a cheat cartridge). They can also be realized by exploiting software bugs; this may or may not be considered cheating based on whether the bug is considered common knowledge.

this is what wikipedia says ...

i think cheaters want to sweet talk smurfing as not cheating, but it IS cheating
they use third party tools (a mailserver) to create an advantage (new account, so the system thinks they have 0 xp) over other players (ez wins) they should normally not have (playing at their own rank, against players from their own rank).
and they cheat against the ranking system by doing this, and this is an integral part of the game, as it defines what opponent you'll get next...

so if you ever think that someone who says "multi-accounting" is not cheating... just direct them to the wiki about "cheating in video games"... cuz he's probably just a cheat himself that uses any excuse to lie about himself not cheating... so yeah, u just dropped a LOT on my respect-ladder just by what u said... (or you're very ignorant, but we both know that after having a game for this many years, it's not that)

ow btw; i've seen NEW steam accounts with RL, bought by pro players so they have a new reason why they're not cheating... "im not cheating cuz i'm using a steam account"... but when u go into the steam account you see it's one with 1 bought game (RL) and a few F2P games they added to create a "profile"...
no, having a steam account does not mean you're not cheating
"Twas'G'lorious" Apr 25, 2023 @ 11:59pm 
i knew a bar manager that got fired for owning the pool tables all night, because he used to be a regional pool champ. he would come in with a custom pearl Q and a matching trick stick,(about 2 ft shorter, so you didn't poke the ceiling, heavy as hell for spinning the ball and making it curve or do jump shots). no paying customer could get the better of him, and the owner had to let him go, because he just wouldn't listen when he was told to leave the tables alone.
FuriousDevi Apr 26, 2023 @ 3:08am 
A smurf aka new account of a "skilled" player is NOT cheating!
These days the initial rank-in and matchmaking does a pretty good job to get those players quickly close into matches with other players close to their skill level.

That said - rocket league never was a perfectly balanced game in this regard - there will always be players better or worse than their rank is.
Also inbalance is a big part of creating fun in pvp games - and rocket league is specialy one of those games where the skill sealing is so high and skill in general is soo inconsistent (many factors) that in the end ... man stop flaming and just have some fun matches!
:D
Madcoil Apr 26, 2023 @ 5:11am 
Originally posted by BoGy.Be -> Twitch.tv/BoGy1980:
Insane rant

Smurfing still isnt cheating
Your respect-ladder...oh no. What am I now supposed to do?

I stopped playing RL years ago. Before the Epic switch. Just played a few games with a PS friend for laughs.
All you do, is sound bitter because you are not skilled enough. That insane amount of hours, and you are still mid tier
Hammer Haunt (Banned) Apr 26, 2023 @ 6:10pm 
you guys should try griefing, its almost as fun, especially after 4-5 Losses in a row, boy i love having the most points on my team 5 games in a row and then get told im the reason we lost lmao
Last edited by Hammer Haunt; Apr 26, 2023 @ 6:11pm
Originally posted by FuriousDevi:
A smurf aka new account of a "skilled" player is NOT cheating!
These days the initial rank-in and matchmaking does a pretty good job to get those players quickly close into matches with other players close to their skill level.

lol you think a smurf creates 1 extra account? they create multiple, use one for a week, then let it rest for the rest of the season so it "deranks" again on the "partial reset" epic does.. this partial reset is only there to keep the content creators happy and not let the "smurfing accounts" get totally out of control...
almost every streamer i know is using multiple accounts, they're all cheating..

and what u said about "the matchmaking system blah blah" ... dude, once they're back at OG rank (that's quite a few games btw) they just start all over again...
I've seen accounts with 12 total wins playing in CHAMP tournaments, beating the total crap out of actual champ players.. but hey, it's fair uh..

to give you an example: let's talk Mike Tyson... the earbiting boxer.. Let's say he creates a fake ID (compare this to an email adress u need to register an account) and this fake ID says "Maki T Aison". The boxer can change his faco and body to look whatever he wants (compare this to the garage in RL), now he uses this "Maki T Aison" ID to register himself as a new boxer in the league... where will he start u think? at the top? no, he starts at the bottom like everyone else. but he's not a bottom player, so he demolishes everyone on his "road to WC", steals all the prizes from the events away from people that actually would deserve it but just got totally OP by mika t aison... by the time Mike is at WC level again (at his actual level), he'll just create another fake ID and start all over, doing exactly the same... this way he looks cool, because in the video's his fake name is hidden for the viewers, so they think it's always the real mike tyson just owning his peers. But in reality it's Mike Tyson beating the crap out of people that have less than 5% of the experience he has. Well, you think this is not cheating? in real life, if this would happen in some league of gaming, it'd be a scandal ond the sportsman doing this would be ousted and hated by everyone who is FOR FAIR PLAY...

You calling this not cheating makes me only believe that you're part of the problem and will find any excuse you can to sweettalk cheating... because you don't have the guts to tell your viewers that you actually cheat to get all that great content... and if that's not the case than you're either very naive or you're lacking any sense of morality..
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