what the hell is up with ranked?

[Meelis13]

psyonix, you made great game, yet you still havent fixed servers AND matchmaking.
I mean for crying out loud, every. single. time. i reach close to promotion and i suddenly am paired with probably worst players in whole damn roster of that rank (btw, it was NEVER issue in season 1), while opponents are in pre-set teams and are rank above. It effectively creates 1vs3 or 1vs2 situations where i carry as hard as possible (often racking up ~1000 points even without goals), yet my team still loses because teammates are doing who knows what and i cant literally be everywhere at once. And so several games in a row.
Which brings me to my second problem with ranked- how is that promotion/demotion thing even work? It doesnt make any sense at all. I mean, i can literally play like 6-20 games and win them all without noticing ANY change, yet after the streak i lose 1(!!!) and immideatly division down. I remember someone trying to explain it in forums, yet i SHOULD NOT come to forums to find out about how ranking works exactly
and 3rd issue- for many players, skillsets dont match with their rank. I cant say if im im one of them or not (because i am rather average on skills and i am in challenger 2/3), but there are so many players who literally cannot hit the ball in challenger. Now, i was in silver in season 1 and i have to say that even in bronze there was no such issue- at least not as nearly as widespread as season 2. Though i do admit getting to bronze was problematic if you played solo.

and in be4 steamsalty people come in. Damn right i am filled with salt AND vinegar and napalm because of these issues being not only consistent, but constantly getting WORSE. And what devs do? they add gimmicks. Again, good they are adding something, but seriously, not where focus should be. Yet it seems to me that their focus is directed at adding gimmicks instead of solving age-old problems in RL with matchmaking and server reliability.

[Tudy]

I stopped reading at paired with worst players, cry more noob

[Meelis13]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tudy:

I stopped reading at paired with worst players, cry more noob

'zat true? Because if your ingame name is same, then i did defeat you about half hour ago on 1vs1. So if im noob, then who are you?

[JuneBug]

Hey look. Someone gets it!

Too bad you will be looked down upon anyways.

:/

[Jimmy the Eunuch]

Adjust like we all do, not everyone plays your way

[JuneBug]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fantasteve Beanflicker:

Adjust like we all do, not everyone plays your way

This is why sports dont evolve that fast.

Meelis13, either get better and change the game, get past the boundries, and dont listen to people, listen to yourself. Self reflection.

Hakeem changed the post game.

Stephen Curry changed the 3pt game.

Charles Barkley made records in the post even when extremely undersized.

They pushed past the boundries through hard work, and mental adjustment.


You will NEVER be the greatest with that state of mind. Beanflicker.

[Clear Vision]

With the current ranking system, your rank in Rocket League really doesn't matter. Yes it decides who you get paired up with, but there are good players and bad players in every rank from Prospect I to Grand Champion. It's not like you get money for reaching Grand Champion anyway so I've stopped caring about my rank.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fantasteve Beanflicker:

Adjust like we all do, not everyone plays your way

You've missed the entire point of this post. Read it again.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Original Post:

Which brings me to my second problem with ranked- how is that promotion/demotion thing even work? It doesnt make any sense at all. I mean, i can literally play like 6-20 games and win them all without noticing ANY change, yet after the streak i lose 1(!!!) and immideatly division down.

For example, what does this have to do anything with adjusting your playstyle? This is just the ranking system being broken. The emphasis of season 2 is consistent gameplay instead of stressing over individual losses which the devs themselves have stated. If you lose one game and get demoted after previously winning 6-14 games in a row (which I have experienced myself), and in most if not all of those games the average rank of the opposing team was the same or higher than the average rank of your team, you can't possibly call this ranking fair.

Początkowo opublikowane przez RatchetFire:

Meelis13, either get better and change the game, get past the boundries, and dont listen to people, listen to yourself. Self reflection.

But you are only able to carry so much so telling someone to get better isn't going to do anything. At the end of the day you can't really put a rank on someone for a team effort. A solid team will always beat a team that has 1 good player. The only gamemode the ranking system works for is 1v1 where it's just you and one other opponent and if you concede a goal it's always your own fault. In 2v2 and 3v3 you can't be everywhere so you will have to rely on your teammates and let them play the ball at some point but if your teammates are so incompetent to the point of not reliably being able to hit the ball how is this your fault? This is what this thread is about and all of you are missing the point.

[JuneBug]

Początkowo opublikowane przez PLAY5.Clear Vision:

With the current ranking system, your rank in Rocket League really doesn't matter. Yes it decides who you get paired up with, but there are good players and bad players in every rank from Prospect I to Grand Champion. It's not like you get money for reaching Grand Champion anyway so I've stopped caring about my rank.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fantasteve Beanflicker:

Adjust like we all do, not everyone plays your way

You've missed the entire point of this post. Read it again.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Original Post:

Which brings me to my second problem with ranked- how is that promotion/demotion thing even work? It doesnt make any sense at all. I mean, i can literally play like 6-20 games and win them all without noticing ANY change, yet after the streak i lose 1(!!!) and immideatly division down.

For example, what does this have to do anything with adjusting your playstyle? This is just the ranking system being broken. The emphasis of season 2 is consistent gameplay instead of stressing over individual losses which the devs themselves have stated. If you lose one game and get demoted after previously winning 6-14 games in a row (which I have experienced myself), and in most if not all of those games the average rank of the opposing team was the same or higher than the average rank of your team, you can't possibly call this ranking fair.

Początkowo opublikowane przez RatchetFire:

Meelis13, either get better and change the game, get past the boundries, and dont listen to people, listen to yourself. Self reflection.

But you are only able to carry so much so telling someone to get better isn't going to do anything. At the end of the day you can't really put a rank on someone for a team effort. A solid team will always beat a team that has 1 good player. The only gamemode the ranking system works for is 1v1 where it's just you and one other opponent and if you concede a goal it's always your own fault. In 2v2 and 3v3 you can't be everywhere so you will have to rely on your teammates and let them play the ball at some point but if your teammates are so incompetent to the point of not reliably being able to hit the ball how is this your fault? This is what this thread is about and all of you are missing the point.

I already know this, I was not missing the point.

I don't think you will believe me, but I had to go do something.

If you don't believe me, heres my ♥♥♥♥♥♥ counter:

1) He needs to be a good role model to the "bad" players.

2) I never said that he had to carry the team, you think charles barkley, hakeem, and steph ballhog infinitely? No, I don't think they did now did they!

3) We all make mistakes, and they need to be fixed, but the only way to fix someone elses mistake is patience, if you keep on pushing through, youll find better players, or you will help improve the current ones through communication, like a good player would, and not complain.

[Meelis13]

thank you two. Ratchetfire, about your 3rd point though.
The reason bad players one really is bad is that if you try to give hints, even very politely, that triggers huge flamefest 7 times out of 10, 2 times out of 10 it triggers no reaction and at best, 1 time out of 10 it actually works to some degree.
I mean everyone has bad periods, ♥♥♥♥ happens, but so many people take it as personal insult if you try to help them with hint.
And as for patience, no matter how patient you are, you run out of it sooner or later when teammates ignore your hints and still continue to rush ball every chance they get just to have touch on the ball. Worst ones are when they go for the ball when you really need to be percise about clearing, get yourself in position and then slight touch from them to push ball past you.
and as cherry on a cake, those same players often go blaming you for the loss.
So that point you made also means community NEEDS to improve a lot.

[Tudy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Meelis13:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tudy:

I stopped reading at paired with worst players, cry more noob

'zat true? Because if your ingame name is same, then i did defeat you about half hour ago on 1vs1. So if im noob, then who are you?

lol i didnt play at all today, i was working

[[57th] AngryHatter]

The people you are paired with are the closest to your skill level.
(Can you hear me laughing?)

[TommyEV]

"paired with" aaaand stoppped reading. While the system is far from perfect, don't expect to play wth randoms and rank up. Find some friends

[KernelPad]

This.

Challenger is by far the most difficult rank to get out of if your skill is similar to Elite / Rising Star.

Mainly because in a 3v3 almost half the players will be the similar skill as you. Those 1-2 odd players that don't actually derserve to be there will be the barrier sadly because its a team game.

You can't be mad at those players, there's a reason they got to that MMR to be paired up with you. More times than not, I get players that know positioning but whiff easy aerials or do poor clears.

If you really care and want to rank up, find a decent team with enough chemistry to rise up the ranks. You will then eventually hit a barrier and will have to start improving your own game.

[Meelis13]

Początkowo opublikowane przez TommyEV:

"paired with" aaaand stoppped reading. While the system is far from perfect, don't expect to play wth randoms and rank up. Find some friends

If i need friends to rank up, then that actually does show something is SERIOUSLY wrong with matchmaking and ranking. I mean literally NO other team game has that as requirement- not even likes of CS go, where you can rank up even with randoms.
Besides, if you are at challenger, i do expect you to play at very least on similar level to bronze in season 1- not utopic expectation as challenger SHOULD be equivelant of silver
And again, not issue in season 1 (ok, in unranked, yes, not after that tho)

[TommyEV]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Meelis13:

Początkowo opublikowane przez TommyEV:

"paired with" aaaand stoppped reading. While the system is far from perfect, don't expect to play wth randoms and rank up. Find some friends

If i need friends to rank up, then that actually does show something is SERIOUSLY wrong with matchmaking and ranking. I mean literally NO other team game has that as requirement- not even likes of CS go, where you can rank up even with randoms.
Besides, if you are at challenger, i do expect you to play at very least on similar level to bronze in season 1- not utopic expectation as challenger SHOULD be equivelant of silver
And again, not issue in season 1 (ok, in unranked, yes, not after that tho)

But that's how life is. Is it a team game? Then you need a team. You don't have one? Too bad, at least play with these strangers and see if you can do anything useful.

[Meelis13]

so that justifies faults in ranking system and matchmaking? No, it doesnt. When i play game, especially one so online-focused like RL, i do expect at least semi-decent matchmaking and ranking