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Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 3:01
This game is rigged, manipulated.
If you don't realize that I'm sorry.
If you don't see that since when Epic bought everything, some matches you're forced to lose, some matches you're forced to win.
How they do this?

Bounces are rigged, 50 - 50 s are rigged.
When you're about to go to the next rank, you get the most unlucky streak ever, bad bounces, bad 50-50 , bad team mates, bad everything because...

The game doesn't want you to rank up.
Or better
It want to makes you feel that you're almost there, you deserve the climb higher but no..

BECAUSE

If you climb the rank, chances that you stop playing are very higher since you reach your skill cap.
We all know that when we reach our skill cap, we're more likely to move on to another game.

EPIC DOESNT WANT THAT!

Because if you stop playing, they dont earn money.

And this marketing strategy works.... hell if it works.
More than 1 million players online.

The problem is that most casual players will never realize how the game is rigged. They just can't realize.

Streamers obviously don't have these problems. But hey, there's not a single one who shows " road to SSL" with random teammates and not premades.

This system of rigging competitive videogames is not new at all. FIfa for example openly admitted, not using the word "rigging" but saying that the more a player loses, the more the chances are that the videogame will support him somehow through victories.

People who always win get bored.
People who always lose get bored.

The strategy to keep players attached to a game is keeping them as close as possible to a 50-50 win/loss ratio.

That's the best psycological number to keep us confident we can get better, without demoralizing us.

If you guys don't realize that they won't let pure enjoyment preceed money earning from a company like Epic Games... if you feel this game is totally honest and pure with you... well, I'm sorry for you, you're in the matrix.
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Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:14 
引用自 Lovi
引用自 Green Theater
Instead I've seen so many times people like you who think it's stupid what they cannot comprehend. Yes,yes, label it stupid so you will be able to sleep well without too many questions.

Some people just don't want to see through. Too afraid of questions then. I'm sorry man.
just upset because youre hardstuck plat
No I actually reached and kept Diamond last season, and after 350 hours I can only be happy about it. Fact is, when I stop playing for some time and come back (and it happens very often for me) , I start re-seeing things that when I'm a lot into the game, I don't see.
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:15 
引用自 `MoNK
oh wow now the tinfoil hats are getting in here. can you go back to climate politics and chemtrails with your conspiracy please?
wow this guy thinks that an economic, marketing strategy is a conspiracy theory! ahahah man, I think you're deeply brainwashed about this tin foil hat things that always makes me laugh.
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:19 
引用自 `MoNK
oh wow now the tinfoil hats are getting in here. can you go back to climate politics and chemtrails with your conspiracy please?
" Some racing games use this ‘rubber banding’ logic to keep races tight but it’s not something that we do. "
FIFA producer Aaron McHardy



You guys only make me laugh (but sadden me inside) when the only way you can respond to "sinister activities in marketing" is by callin in tin foil hats, conspiracy theories and stuff.
I hope you do realize that you cannot see the truth.
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:20 
引用自 Lovi
引用自 Green Theater
No I actually reached and kept Diamond last season, and after 350 hours I can only be happy about it. Fact is, when I stop playing for some time and come back (and it happens very often for me) , I start re-seeing things that when I'm a lot into the game, I don't see.

Diamond and youre trying to speak about a game been rigged? come back to this post when you get above gc, Braindead moron.
ahahah you feel intelligent right? Do you think I need to spend 1000 hours to understand that a game is rigged? Don't you think 350 hours are enough? They are not enough to get to GC, but they are more than enough to realize something is wrong with many things. Don't call me moron for something your small brain cannot comprehend, my dear.
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:28 
引用自 Lovi
引用自 Green Theater
No I actually reached and kept Diamond last season, and after 350 hours I can only be happy about it. Fact is, when I stop playing for some time and come back (and it happens very often for me) , I start re-seeing things that when I'm a lot into the game, I don't see.

Diamond and youre trying to speak about a game been rigged? come back to this post when you get above gc, Braindead moron.
also, you're so funny. Check stats https://rocketleague.tracker.network/rocket-league/distribution

With your logic, not even 700 people can speak about the game. because 0.04% of players are above gc. Why am I even spending my time with you.
Zen © 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:35 
The game is not rigged as you have stated. I have above 50% win rate there are others with much higher win rates than mine, it is a skill based game you will only reach as far as your skill carries you regardless of team mates.

The only streamer road to ssl i have ever watched was Leths, and he did 99% of it solo queing and went on a massive win streak till he teamed up with jon sandman and got his first loss so that throws that theory out the window.

Yes you can rig competitive video games, but i would suspect that fifa like rocket league is just putting you against easier opponents when you lose as a function of the mmr system. If you use bakesmod you can watch the mmr of yourself and the players around you and that is very clearly how you are matched, now we can debate the finer points of boosting and smurfing that manipulate the mmr but that is on the player side not psyonix side and psyonix does not like boosting/smurfing and have punished people for it in the past.

Epic has done nothing massive to change the game since they took it over, the first real change has been a slow rebalancing of the ranks since it went ftp which was needed to deal with the influx of new players first they expanded the ranks, and this season they have made small adjustments to the mmr requirements of the higher ranks to help increase the number of people in those ranks so there would be games to be had.

If this game was rigged to force a 50% win ratio everyone would be in the same rank. Just think on that for a bit.
`MoNK 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:38 
引用自 Green Theater
引用自 `MoNK
oh wow now the tinfoil hats are getting in here. can you go back to climate politics and chemtrails with your conspiracy please?
wow this guy thinks that an economic, marketing strategy is a conspiracy theory! ahahah man, I think you're deeply brainwashed about this tin foil hat things that always makes me laugh.

If you are really interested in the topic read up on " EOMM: An Engagement Optimized MatchmakingFramework " google will show you the paper about it. if you read it carefully you will realize that the loosing streaks and long winning streaks go against what keeps most players playing. i take this as a very strong hint that rl does not aply these methodes.
also the fact that you have to go over a higher mmr treshold to change from one rank to the next might give you the impression that the game makes it harder to rank up when aproaching a new rank. but this is only visual. use bakkes mod and look at the mmr and you will see there is no difference.
so same advice as with most cospiracies. GET PROPPERLY INFORMED FIRST. then make assumptions
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:52 
引用自 Zen©
The game is not rigged as you have stated. I have above 50% win rate there are others with much higher win rates than mine, it is a skill based game you will only reach as far as your skill carries you regardless of team mates.

The only streamer road to ssl i have ever watched was Leths, and he did 99% of it solo queing and went on a massive win streak till he teamed up with jon sandman and got his first loss so that throws that theory out the window.

Yes you can rig competitive video games, but i would suspect that fifa like rocket league is just putting you against easier opponents when you lose as a function of the mmr system. If you use bakesmod you can watch the mmr of yourself and the players around you and that is very clearly how you are matched, now we can debate the finer points of boosting and smurfing that manipulate the mmr but that is on the player side not psyonix side and psyonix does not like boosting/smurfing and have punished people for it in the past.

Epic has done nothing massive to change the game since they took it over, the first real change has been a slow rebalancing of the ranks since it went ftp which was needed to deal with the influx of new players first they expanded the ranks, and this season they have made small adjustments to the mmr requirements of the higher ranks to help increase the number of people in those ranks so there would be games to be had.

If this game was rigged to force a 50% win ratio everyone would be in the same rank. Just think on that for a bit.

I think the mmr is not the only stat they aquire from us, to determine our actual skill level. mmr is what they use for match making. I think the algorythm uses other statistics aquired that really shows them how good/bad a player is.
For example, how many mvp, how many goals vs matches played and in what kind of match, if it was 1s, 2s or 3s. It takes quite many math formulas and take account of many factors, but once you have the formula you can easily and instatly see how good a player REALLY is, with stats.
mmr doesnt really show you the skill, because you will agree that there can be X (1700mr) vs Y (1700mr) and X will win 10 matches out of 10, 5 - 0 at least. That's because ranks are so messed up!!

This leads to the fact that the algorythm can decide , or at least, strongly force the % of the outcome of a match before even starting it.

About Lethamyr road to.... well man, he's one of the best players in the world, I don't think that counts to be honest ^^
Zen © 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 7:58 
引用自 Green Theater
About Lethamyr road to.... well man, he's one of the best players in the world, I don't think that counts to be honest ^^

It does regardless of his skill as it relates to your original premise. Even he would be ata 50/50 win loss ratio if the game was forcing it unless he is playing a completely different version of the game then the rest of the world. The fact that the best players rise to the top runs completely counter to your entire argument.
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 8:06 
引用自 Zen©
引用自 Green Theater
About Lethamyr road to.... well man, he's one of the best players in the world, I don't think that counts to be honest ^^

It does regardless of his skill as it relates to your original premise. Even he would be ata 50/50 win loss ratio if the game was forcing it unless he is playing a completely different version of the game then the rest of the world. The fact that the best players rise to the top runs completely counter to your entire argument.
Lethamys is actually playing a different version of the game.. in his head. He's so talented and trained to be top world. Against top of the world, there's nothing you can do. He can lose every 50-50 , he can get teamed with noobs, he can get some rubber banding in the exactly wrong moment.. (weird, uh?) but he's still among best players in the world because he's a champion, over the top. We cant argument about this, speaking about a person like him.
Hybernix 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 8:10 
damn i hoped this was a troll thread

answer is no
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 8:12 
引用自 BornGud
damn i hoped this was a troll thread

answer is no
Ok thanks for giving me the answer!
Hybernix 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 8:13 
ok thank god
Red # 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 8:13 
引用自 Green Theater
引用自 Zen©

It does regardless of his skill as it relates to your original premise. Even he would be ata 50/50 win loss ratio if the game was forcing it unless he is playing a completely different version of the game then the rest of the world. The fact that the best players rise to the top runs completely counter to your entire argument.
Lethamys is actually playing a different version of the game.. in his head. He's so talented and trained to be top world. Against top of the world, there's nothing you can do. He can lose every 50-50 , he can get teamed with noobs, he can get some rubber banding in the exactly wrong moment.. (weird, uh?) but he's still among best players in the world because he's a champion, over the top. We cant argument about this, speaking about a person like him.
Yeah, you won't accept this argument, because like Zen said, it would counter your logic . Each player is treated equally . He is one of the best, but not the best . And that " road to ... " it's most likely fake, Youtubers would go a long way to make something look real
Abjuration 2021 年 4 月 12 日 上午 8:17 
引用自 Red #
引用自 Green Theater
Lethamys is actually playing a different version of the game.. in his head. He's so talented and trained to be top world. Against top of the world, there's nothing you can do. He can lose every 50-50 , he can get teamed with noobs, he can get some rubber banding in the exactly wrong moment.. (weird, uh?) but he's still among best players in the world because he's a champion, over the top. We cant argument about this, speaking about a person like him.
Yeah, you won't accept this argument, because like Zen said, it would counter your logic . Each player is treated equally . He is one of the best, but not the best . And that " road to ... " it's most likely fake, Youtubers would go a long way to make something look real
But I told you that the game rigging is subtle and it's aimed to affect the biggest % of players, surely not the best players in the world. On the contrary, best players of the world must exist, because they become Idols for so many young players that will make (have made) rocket league their favourite game. Supporters! money!

Nothing is countering my logic here, since game manipulations are subtle, they dont have enough strength to counter the supreme skills that top world players have. It's not difficult to understand, isnt' it?
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