Epic Games ruined Rocket League - The new Fortnite to scam children

[Agent Zero]

Seriously, Rocket League has become worse and worse, since Epic Games bought it. The community (which was already toxic) is more toxic than ever, you can't play two rounds in a row without being insulted. And what do they do against it? Nothing. You get banned for a couple of hours or nothing happens. And let's be honest: who cares? They create new FREE accounts and keep on going that way. And Epic Games supports this behavior by not doing anything useful against them.

Furthermore, there are more smurfs, as the game got free.

The DLCs are clearly overprized and a pure scam. I know that it is optional to buy them. I personally don't buy them. But it's nevertheless intolerable, in my opinion.

The blueprints market is completely broken in favour of Epic Games, to stop trading and increase the sales on credits spent on blueprints.

It's really interesting to see what happened to the game. It feels like the new Fortnite. Ripping kid's money out of their pockets, taking morally questionable decisions and focussing entirely on profit, while not caring at all about the community. Honestly, Epic Games is the worst. And this is the reason I prefer paying for games on Steam than getting them for free from Epic Games. I won’t support such an exploiting concern. Shame on everyone who works for Epic Games. Keep trying to get players on your platform by gifting weekly games. You won’t get me with that cheap trick. Their pathetic platform doesn’t even have a chat function. Great gaming platform, being unable to chat with friends. And it’s not new. They simply don’t care about their “community”. All they want is profit.

Thanks for reading. Feel free to express your opinion in the comment section and tell me if you agree or disagree.

[Lurd]

1- What realistic options do you see to combat smurfs and people spamming new accounts? How can you, without a doubt, say that someone's a smurf? Answer: You can't. There are very legitimate reasons for players to appear better than their rank. And sometimes they are. And still, there are legitimate reasons for it. A new account on a new platform, someone playing a gamemode for the first time in years, whatever.

2- Regarding the DLCs, yeah, cool. They're cosmetics. You don't have to buy them. You want items? There's thousands you can buy from other players for less than the price of a Rare decal in the shop. I agree that the price is too steep but I just ignore the shop altogether.

3- Regarding the BPs, yeah as a player it sucks but as a company they're literally creating money out of thin air. Even more than they used to.

4- Regarding your rant about EGS, it'll fall in deaf ears. The people on this forum overwhelmingly prefer Steam to EGS. I do.

Bottom line: Most of those annoyances can be avoided. Don't buy credits. Don't check the shop. Hide blueprints. Mute toxic players. And if you someday decide to stop playing, don't make an announcement. People do that too often thinking other players care. They don't. None of them do.

[Agent Zero]

1 - not making the game free. Simplest way and best way. And how I can say without a doubt that someone is a smurf? I don't know what your rank is mate, but I am champ 1-3. I bet my right hand someone that is "apparently gold" and plays like champ 1 in casuals, is a smurf.

2 - I already stated that I know I don't have to buy them. Nervertheless, it's close to scamming. "Just ignore the problem" is the typical answer. "looking away" isn't a solution.

3 - I agree. And that was my point. All they do is to make money. And of course, you have to make money as a company, but exploiting your community and manipulating the market, shouldn't be an acceptable way of doing so.

4 - Becuase EGS is trash. Did you see the EG humble bundle? it was the worst sold bundle ever.

I am not trying to make an announcement about stop playing. And I know how to avoid those situations. But, as mentioned above, "looking away" is a solution. And I just wanted to complain and vent about such a business' behavior, which I don't agree with. Exploiting people, and especially children, who are unable to see that a virtual car isn't worth 20€, is ethically wrong. I just want to raise awareness about it.

[lollars]

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

1 - not making the game free. Simplest way and best way. And how I can say without a doubt that someone is a smurf? I don't know what your rank is mate, but I am champ 1-3. I bet my right hand someone that is "apparently gold" and plays like champ 1 in casuals, is a smurf.

2 - I already stated that I know I don't have to buy them. Nervertheless, it's close to scamming. "Just ignore the problem" is the typical answer. "looking away" isn't a solution.

3 - I agree. And that was my point. All they do is to make money. And of course, you have to make money as a company, but exploiting your community and manipulating the market, shouldn't be an acceptable way of doing so.

4 - Becuase EGS is trash. Did you see the EG humble bundle? it was the worst sold bundle ever.

I am not trying to make an announcement about stop playing. And I know how to avoid those situations. But, as mentioned above, "looking away" is a solution. And I just wanted to complain and vent about such a business' behavior, which I don't agree with. Exploiting people, and especially children, who are unable to see that a virtual car isn't worth 20€, is ethically wrong. I just want to raise awareness about it.

1.the game making f2p has brought more players than ever in this game and smurf and boosting was in this game even when you have to pay for it there is no simple solution against smurfs if there was 1 many games would do this

2. you need to accept the new prices of dlc because they wont change it

3. they needed to kill the market to invent they own prices its sucks for players but now we have fixed prices for many items so they cant cost 1000 (beside a few)

4. EGS yea we get the hate but the game is owned by epic so you have 2 options
dont play it
or accept the fact egs is now the boss

a virtuel thing cost as much as they want it to be and it dont realy matter if only 500 people buy it or 50000 because the time they spent on a car/decal is not even worth 1 sell (mostlikely they sell even more of 1 item if its new or a new colour )

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by lollars:

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

1 - not making the game free. Simplest way and best way. And how I can say without a doubt that someone is a smurf? I don't know what your rank is mate, but I am champ 1-3. I bet my right hand someone that is "apparently gold" and plays like champ 1 in casuals, is a smurf.

2 - I already stated that I know I don't have to buy them. Nervertheless, it's close to scamming. "Just ignore the problem" is the typical answer. "looking away" isn't a solution.

3 - I agree. And that was my point. All they do is to make money. And of course, you have to make money as a company, but exploiting your community and manipulating the market, shouldn't be an acceptable way of doing so.

4 - Becuase EGS is trash. Did you see the EG humble bundle? it was the worst sold bundle ever.

I am not trying to make an announcement about stop playing. And I know how to avoid those situations. But, as mentioned above, "looking away" is a solution. And I just wanted to complain and vent about such a business' behavior, which I don't agree with. Exploiting people, and especially children, who are unable to see that a virtual car isn't worth 20€, is ethically wrong. I just want to raise awareness about it.

1.the game making f2p has brought more players than ever in this game and smurf and boosting was in this game even when you have to pay for it there is no simple solution against smurfs if there was 1 many games would do this

2. you need to accept the new prices of dlc because they wont change it

3. they needed to kill the market to invent they own prices its sucks for players but now we have fixed prices for many items so they cant cost 1000 (beside a few)

4. EGS yea we get the hate but the game is owned by epic so you have 2 options
dont play it
or accept the fact egs is now the boss

a virtuel thing cost as much as they want it to be and it dont realy matter if only 500 people buy it or 50000 because the time they spent on a car/decal is not even worth 1 sell (mostlikely they sell even more of 1 item if its new or a new colour )

1 Everything that is free, brings more people. Hard facts. But that's not always good - at least not for the players. And also, there are way more smurfs now, then back then, which is simple to explain: You can create as many free accounts as you want. So yes, some people bought the game various times to smurf, but you get to your rank again, one day. And I don't think that people bought the game like 10 times. Now they can.

2 Accepting it is one thing. But I nevertheless don't think that these are normal prizes.

3 Market theory says that it will balance itself without having the need to infuence it. The problem is, that it wouldn't balance itself in Epic Games's favour. This is why they regulate it.

4 I agree with you.

[Crunchy[Daz]]

They don't need chat, everyone uses Discord. They don't need forums, they would be full of Steam fanboys trashing everything. Steam forums aren't really much better, full of ignorant children who try to arm-chair develop without any understanding of how games are built.

I'm not trying to defend Epic here but c'mon, literally trying to spin free games as some sort of negative? Let me guess... you have a problem with that but you don't have a problem with Steam offering free weekends for games which a far worse "cheap trick".

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by ANDROMEDA650:

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

The DLCs are clearly overprized and a pure scam. I know that it is optional to buy them. I personally don't buy them. But it's nevertheless intolerable, in my opinion.

A scam is when a deal is reached and one side takes what they wanted but does honor the deal by giving what was agreed upon. That's not happening here.

If the DLCs are over priced, they wont make as much money as they could if they priced them properly. I assure you, there is a marketing team looking at the general video game loot market and determining what price they should use to optimize profit. If they overpriced them initially, they would make adjustments to improve profits. That's what any business will do because they are not going to leave money on the table.

The real issue here is that there are plenty of people who see value in purchasing a $10 or $20 cosmetic for this game and you are not one of those people. You calling it a scam just shows that you're irritated by it and not interested in a good faith discussion about it.

I agree with you. If people are willing to pay for it, they won't change anything. And yeah, "scam" might not be the correct term for it, but you know what I mean, don't you? Is Rip off better?

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

They don't need chat, everyone uses Discord. They don't need forums, they would be full of Steam fanboys trashing everything. Steam forums aren't really much better, full of ignorant children who try to arm-chair develop without any understanding of how games are built.

I'm not trying to defend Epic here but c'mon, literally trying to spin free games as some sort of negative? Let me guess... you have a problem with that but you don't have a problem with Steam offering free weekends for games which a far worse "cheap trick".

That's your opinion. I don't know about you, but I don't only have real life friends on steam. And I don't have everyone's discord either. So the chat function seems important to me. But it depends on what you do on those platforms.

I really don't think making a P2P game F2P is a good idea. We see the results of it. I ain't a huge fan of F2P games in general, but that's another story.
I never use steam's "free weekend" opportunities. If I want to play a game, I simply buy it. But I am interested in getting to know why those free weekends are a far worse "cheap trick".

[Lurd]

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

1 - not making the game free. Simplest way and best way. And how I can say without a doubt that someone is a smurf? I don't know what your rank is mate, but I am champ 1-3. I bet my right hand someone that is "apparently gold" and plays like champ 1 in casuals, is a smurf.

2 - I already stated that I know I don't have to buy them. Nervertheless, it's close to scamming. "Just ignore the problem" is the typical answer. "looking away" isn't a solution.

3 - I agree. And that was my point. All they do is to make money. And of course, you have to make money as a company, but exploiting your community and manipulating the market, shouldn't be an acceptable way of doing so.

4 - Becuase EGS is trash. Did you see the EG humble bundle? it was the worst sold bundle ever.

I am not trying to make an announcement about stop playing. And I know how to avoid those situations. But, as mentioned above, "looking away" is a solution. And I just wanted to complain and vent about such a business' behavior, which I don't agree with. Exploiting people, and especially children, who are unable to see that a virtual car isn't worth 20€, is ethically wrong. I just want to raise awareness about it.

1- How can you tell if someone is Gold in casual? Because they have the Gold banner? Decal? The Rank Amateur title? I have a full Bronze car, with Bronze wheels, Bronze banner, Bronze decal, Bronze boost and Bronze trail. I'm C2.

2- It's actually much less like scamming than crates tbh. You know what you get, you know how much to pay. Kinda like... Any shop ever?

3- Blueprints are hardly a manipulation of the market. Psyonix never encouraged players to create a secondary economy. They let them do it, of course, but they literally made no profit from people reselling items. Making a lot of them untradable was a way to cash in on that. On the other hand, while a lot of items are too expensive to craft, they usually lose in value fairly quickly. While you might not be able to get THE item you want on release day, market prices usually fall to reasonable levels within a month or two. Also, even if most BPs are literally worthless, so were most crate items. Except that now, you don't have to buy keys to know what item you can unlock. So more people are aware of what they have, more people sell, there's a higher supply, so in the end more people can start getting a few credits to trade to the items they want. Not defending the BP system of course, I was a trader for years and loved how it was, but I'm just highlighting the fact that it's not quite as horrible as people might think.

4- I agree, the store is lacking. The lack of achievements and of a lot of features turned me off. But the games can be pretty good. If you don't want free games, then don't get them. Don't wanna use the platform? You don't have to. Sure, they'll try to push it, it's their product, but you're free not to use it.

Regarding the whole "exploiting people" part, people are free to waste money on whatever they want. If a kid manages to spend 20€ on a virtual car, then it's also on their parents. If you let an impressionable child play, and make digital purchases in, an online video game, then you're a moron. You can't blame the game or the company for the failure of parents to properly educate or supervise their children.

[Alucard]

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

They don't need chat, everyone uses Discord. They don't need forums, they would be full of Steam fanboys trashing everything. Steam forums aren't really much better, full of ignorant children who try to arm-chair develop without any understanding of how games are built.

I'm not trying to defend Epic here but c'mon, literally trying to spin free games as some sort of negative? Let me guess... you have a problem with that but you don't have a problem with Steam offering free weekends for games which a far worse "cheap trick".

Because it was and still is a problem. Wtf do you think is gonna happen when you take a competitive p2p game and make it f2p? All that does is open the flood gates for players to continue making free accounts to smurf and boost low skill players. Its impossible to even say that it isnt happening, considering how many bring up seeing low plats-silvers being brought into games typically diamond+.

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by Blyatosaurus Rex:

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

1 - not making the game free. Simplest way and best way. And how I can say without a doubt that someone is a smurf? I don't know what your rank is mate, but I am champ 1-3. I bet my right hand someone that is "apparently gold" and plays like champ 1 in casuals, is a smurf.

2 - I already stated that I know I don't have to buy them. Nervertheless, it's close to scamming. "Just ignore the problem" is the typical answer. "looking away" isn't a solution.

3 - I agree. And that was my point. All they do is to make money. And of course, you have to make money as a company, but exploiting your community and manipulating the market, shouldn't be an acceptable way of doing so.

4 - Becuase EGS is trash. Did you see the EG humble bundle? it was the worst sold bundle ever.

I am not trying to make an announcement about stop playing. And I know how to avoid those situations. But, as mentioned above, "looking away" is a solution. And I just wanted to complain and vent about such a business' behavior, which I don't agree with. Exploiting people, and especially children, who are unable to see that a virtual car isn't worth 20€, is ethically wrong. I just want to raise awareness about it.

1- How can you tell if someone is Gold in casual? Because they have the Gold banner? Decal? The Rank Amateur title? I have a full Bronze car, with Bronze wheels, Bronze banner, Bronze decal, Bronze boost and Bronze trail. I'm C2.

2- It's actually much less like scamming than crates tbh. You know what you get, you know how much to pay. Kinda like... Any shop ever?

3- Blueprints are hardly a manipulation of the market. Psyonix never encouraged players to create a secondary economy. They let them do it, of course, but they literally made no profit from people reselling items. Making a lot of them untradable was a way to cash in on that. On the other hand, while a lot of items are too expensive to craft, they usually lose in value fairly quickly. While you might not be able to get THE item you want on release day, market prices usually fall to reasonable levels within a month or two. Also, even if most BPs are literally worthless, so were most crate items. Except that now, you don't have to buy keys to know what item you can unlock. So more people are aware of what they have, more people sell, there's a higher supply, so in the end more people can start getting a few credits to trade to the items they want. Not defending the BP system of course, I was a trader for years and loved how it was, but I'm just highlighting the fact that it's not quite as horrible as people might think.

4- I agree, the store is lacking. The lack of achievements and of a lot of features turned me off. But the games can be pretty good. If you don't want free games, then don't get them. Don't wanna use the platform? You don't have to. Sure, they'll try to push it, it's their product, but you're free not to use it.

Regarding the whole "exploiting people" part, people are free to waste money on whatever they want. If a kid manages to spend 20€ on a virtual car, then it's also on their parents. If you let an impressionable child play, and make digital purchases in, an online video game, then you're a moron. You can't blame the game or the company for the failure of parents to properly educate or supervise their children.

1 You can see it after the match in ranked and there are mods to see that information.

2 I guess you mean the blueprints? Point 2 was actually about the DLCs. overprized cars. Yes you know what you get. I agree on that. But it's so expensive.

3 I understand your point, but I definitely prefer the old way it used to be. This BP market is weird. Especially given the fact that it's cheaper to buy items, than to create them with BPs. Or did that change?

4 I don't get the free games, because I don't want them. And I don't use the store, because I tried it out and noticed how trashy it is. So yeah, I am free not to use their product and I don't.

I don't agree on blaming their parents that easily. I can imagine that many kids ask their partens for "money for games". And they then get skins for Fortnite or cars for Rocket League. And Epic Games is aware of that. They know they get their money from children. And that's my issue with it. I don't think it is ethically right. Therefore I can totally blame the company for it. Especially because their prizes for virtual worthless skins are incredibly high. Same with ingame-purchases in mobile browser games. Same ♥♥♥♥ and they are totally accountable for it (in my opinion).

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by Alucard:

Originally posted by CrunchyDaz:

They don't need chat, everyone uses Discord. They don't need forums, they would be full of Steam fanboys trashing everything. Steam forums aren't really much better, full of ignorant children who try to arm-chair develop without any understanding of how games are built.

I'm not trying to defend Epic here but c'mon, literally trying to spin free games as some sort of negative? Let me guess... you have a problem with that but you don't have a problem with Steam offering free weekends for games which a far worse "cheap trick".

Because it was and still is a problem. Wtf do you think is gonna happen when you take a competitive p2p game and make it f2p? All that does is open the flood gates for players to continue making free accounts to smurf and boost low skill players. Its impossible to even say that it isnt happening, considering how many bring up seeing low plats-silvers being brought into games typically diamond+.

I totally agree with you. And it is exactly what happened. Smurfs everywhere. I don't know how people can still negligate the fact that making a P2P game F2P causes more smurfs. It is kinda obvious and we see it ingame too.

[Alucard]

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

Originally posted by Alucard:

Because it was and still is a problem. Wtf do you think is gonna happen when you take a competitive p2p game and make it f2p? All that does is open the flood gates for players to continue making free accounts to smurf and boost low skill players. Its impossible to even say that it isnt happening, considering how many bring up seeing low plats-silvers being brought into games typically diamond+.

I totally agree with you. And it is exactly what happened. Smurfs everywhere. I don't know how people can still negligate the fact that making a P2P game F2P causes more smurfs. It is kinda obvious and we see it ingame too.

yeah...just had some long f-ing argument with some pos constantly smashing into me in 3's just to chase....only to find out hes a gc smurf trying to lose because they dgaf about their rank. Then had the f-ing nerve to offer and boost me. These ppl clearly and VERY blatantly dont care about the game or what happens to anyone but themselves, the only thing that stopped it from getting this damn bad was the fact you'd have to buy the game over and over before if they didnt want to ruin their own rank carrying others. Anyone even defending this game in the slightest needs to gtfo and touch grass, take a deep DEEP breath and realize they should read a book since they're clearly clueless.

[report my teammate]

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

Seriously, Rocket League has become worse and worse, since Epic Games bought it. The community (which was already toxic) is more toxic than ever, you can't play two rounds in a row without being insulted. And what do they do against it? Nothing. You get banned for a couple of hours or nothing happens. And let's be honest: who cares? They create new FREE accounts and keep on going that way. And Epic Games supports this behavior by not doing anything useful against them.

Furthermore, there are more smurfs, as the game got free.

The DLCs are clearly overprized and a pure scam. I know that it is optional to buy them. I personally don't buy them. But it's nevertheless intolerable, in my opinion.

The blueprints market is completely broken in favour of Epic Games, to stop trading and increase the sales on credits spent on blueprints.

It's really interesting to see what happened to the game. It feels like the new Fortnite. Ripping kid's money out of their pockets, taking morally questionable decisions and focussing entirely on profit, while not caring at all about the community. Honestly, Epic Games is the worst. And this is the reason I prefer paying for games on Steam than getting them for free from Epic Games. I won’t support such an exploiting concern. Shame on everyone who works for Epic Games. Keep trying to get players on your platform by gifting weekly games. You won’t get me with that cheap trick. Their pathetic platform doesn’t even have a chat function. Great gaming platform, being unable to chat with friends. And it’s not new. They simply don’t care about their “community”. All they want is profit.

Thanks for reading. Feel free to express your opinion in the comment section and tell me if you agree or disagree.

I will start with my 1st response to by saying since the game is free and you start with the octane and dominus which have the best hitboxes in the game that cosmetics are just that and they can charge whatever they like since you don't need to them play. This includes blueprints and any in game item.

Smurfs have always been around on RL and exist on any online competitive game. I currently play around champ 2-3 and if I play with my real life friend who is silver/gold it wouldn't be fun for us to play champ+ level players. So I do have an account that I play with him on specifically. However and don't take this the wrong way over time your rank is your rank. If you gave me a brand new account right now and put me in ranked at the lowest rank I would rarely lose a game probably none at all unless I ran into a smurf.. until I hit around diamond 3/champ 1. I wouldn't even care about my teammates because my skill level against anyone d3 and below is greater.

No chat platform I didn't even realize because I still use steam and or discord. But yes that would be a nice option.

Just remember this is just a game. You can add me if you want to play some games. I see you are around champ 1 in 2s.

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by KanePhoenix:

care about insults, if u get banned create new one noone cares, so why should the com be less toxic. as long as epic / psy do not punish for tou / eula violations nothing will be changed at all. deal with it or leave. f2p just to grab money for outdated content. best rl days gone.

Sad story, but true story. I hate to see what RL has become.

[Agent Zero]

Originally posted by Alucard:

Originally posted by Agent Zero:

I totally agree with you. And it is exactly what happened. Smurfs everywhere. I don't know how people can still negligate the fact that making a P2P game F2P causes more smurfs. It is kinda obvious and we see it ingame too.

yeah...just had some long f-ing argument with some pos constantly smashing into me in 3's just to chase....only to find out hes a gc smurf trying to lose because they dgaf about their rank. Then had the f-ing nerve to offer and boost me. These ppl clearly and VERY blatantly dont care about the game or what happens to anyone but themselves, the only thing that stopped it from getting this damn bad was the fact you'd have to buy the game over and over before if they didnt want to ruin their own rank carrying others. Anyone even defending this game in the slightest needs to gtfo and touch grass, take a deep DEEP breath and realize they should read a book since they're clearly clueless.

True words!