is 3v3 that much harder?

[J11mz]

im sitting at almost champ in 2s but im going back and forth in 3s between gold3 - plat 2

[0ficirNiko]

dob't treat it as 2's. Let the 3rd player play.

[J11mz]

Originally posted by OficirNiko:

dob't treat it as 2's. Let the 3rd player play.

im rotating an all that, not ball rushing or anything what i mostly mean is that in 3s even in low plat people are doing ceiling shots & flip resets, i don't see that in d3 in doubles..

edit: im probaply the guy not allowed to play in 3's actually :D

[Avalanche]

I have noticed that i am diamond I in 3s, but Plat 1 in 2s.......i have seen Gold III/Plat I players playing vastly better than the Diamonds in 3s....it just shows how broken the system is.

It also doesn't help when you encounter groups that consist of a Diamond and a Gold........it makes the system more broken.

[J11mz]

Originally posted by Lithari:

It also doesn't help when you encounter groups that consist of a Diamond and a Gold........it makes the system more broken.

im playing solo standard so i dont encounter people in crazy diffrent ranks cuz people cant team.

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by J11mz:

Originally posted by Lithari:

It also doesn't help when you encounter groups that consist of a Diamond and a Gold........it makes the system more broken.

im playing solo standard so i dont encounter people in crazy diffrent ranks cuz people cant team.

Well, that is alot harder......i mean FAR harder than non-solo modes.....i have seen Gold ranked players playing so much better than their rank would expect, its not their fault, its the solo nature of the mode.....you will see players that would normally be high Diamond, but they are High Gold due to not being able to play with their normal friend or friends.

[TommyEV]

The distribution of ranks in solo standard is slightly lower than other modes but you should still be close to your rank in other lists.

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by TommyEV:

The distribution of ranks in solo standard is slightly lower than other modes but you should still be close to your rank in other lists.

Close in rank....yeah, close in skill? not so much.

The rank to skill ratio in this game is utterly broken, the skill level of the players are utterly unpredictable and not in a good way.

What would be a good way is when you don't know who is going to win, you or them, but when you have no idea you are going to get team mates that are as skilled as their rank would indicate or that they outright suck or are VASTLY better than their rank would indicate........it doesn't matter if the advantage is on my team or the other team, its still bad and needs to be managed.

[J11mz]

Originally posted by Lithari:

you have no idea you are going to get team mates that are as skilled as their rank would indicate or that they outright suck or are VASTLY better than their rank would indicate........it doesn't matter if the advantage is on my team or the other team, its still bad and needs to be managed.

gotta agree on dat the matches are so random sometimes on solo standard

[Avalanche]

Originally posted by J11mz:

Originally posted by Lithari:

you have no idea you are going to get team mates that are as skilled as their rank would indicate or that they outright suck or are VASTLY better than their rank would indicate........it doesn't matter if the advantage is on my team or the other team, its still bad and needs to be managed.

gotta agree on dat the matches are so random sometimes on solo standard

It can be highly random in all modes, but it is more commonly random in solo 3s.....its due to how broken the skill to rank ratio is of the players.

[Drake]

It's not harder or anything, it's more deranked. Too many players got carried way to high. I was plat 1 it felt most at home for me, but then I had few bad matches, now struggling between gold 2-3 and almost all matches are bad, giving me 0 pleasure of playing, cause of awful teammates... 80% of matches now are with so pathetic level of bad teammates that it's just annoying, like high gold and they can't hit a single ball properly, chase all the time, leaving empty goal, when our team is at defence and have stupid mentality of "I need to touch every single ball I possible can", creating chaos or denying me scoring. Either I carry like crazy or carry the game like crazy and lose the game anyway. That's why playing 2s seems easier, in case of awful teammates it's easier to carry 1 of them against 2 players, instead of 1/2 but against 3 players. That's why I'm moving to duos now. Even pros are afraid of playing 3s with randoms, that's just too risky, cause system is stupid and rewards for win /lose all players equally, and it should not be the case.

[Bilbo Laggins]

Originally posted by Drake:

It's not harder or anything, it's more deranked. Too many players got carried way to high. I was plat 1 it felt most at home for me, but then I had few bad matches, now struggling between gold 2-3 and almost all matches are bad, giving me 0 pleasure of playing, cause of awful teammates... 80% of matches now are with so pathetic level of bad teammates that it's just annoying, like high gold and they can't hit a single ball properly, chase all the time, leaving empty goal, when our team is at defence and have stupid mentality of "I need to touch every single ball I possible can", creating chaos or denying me scoring. Either I carry like crazy or carry the game like crazy and lose the game anyway. That's why playing 2s seems easier, in case of awful teammates it's easier to carry 1 of them against 2 players, instead of 1/2 but against 3 players. That's why I'm moving to duos now. Even pros are afraid of playing 3s with randoms, that's just too risky, cause system is stupid and rewards for win /lose all players equally, and it should not be the case.

Yup. If they added a metric that tracked points scored or the point differential between the players in each match I think it would mitigate this problem at least a little bit. It probably would not be that hard to do AND it could catch people boosting other players and ban them or just strip their rank so they have to do placements again

[CraZy_SkuLL]

make passes and gg, go to champ EZ, but if you random Qeue expect a lot of losing matches because people think they are gods and always do them VS all the world.

[Brimstone]

Originally posted by CraZy_SkuLL:

make passes and gg, go to champ EZ, but if you random Qeue expect a lot of losing matches because people think they are gods and always do them VS all the world.

This XD

Or double partners that don't know how to play with a third person and trash talk a lot.

[Drake]

Originally posted by Phil Swift's can of Flex Seal:

Originally posted by Drake:

It's not harder or anything, it's more deranked. Too many players got carried way to high. I was plat 1 it felt most at home for me, but then I had few bad matches, now struggling between gold 2-3 and almost all matches are bad, giving me 0 pleasure of playing, cause of awful teammates... 80% of matches now are with so pathetic level of bad teammates that it's just annoying, like high gold and they can't hit a single ball properly, chase all the time, leaving empty goal, when our team is at defence and have stupid mentality of "I need to touch every single ball I possible can", creating chaos or denying me scoring. Either I carry like crazy or carry the game like crazy and lose the game anyway. That's why playing 2s seems easier, in case of awful teammates it's easier to carry 1 of them against 2 players, instead of 1/2 but against 3 players. That's why I'm moving to duos now. Even pros are afraid of playing 3s with randoms, that's just too risky, cause system is stupid and rewards for win /lose all players equally, and it should not be the case.

Yup. If they added a metric that tracked points scored or the point differential between the players in each match I think it would mitigate this problem at least a little bit. It probably would not be that hard to do AND it could catch people boosting other players and ban them or just strip their rank so they have to do placements again

Now I kinda updated my views on the subject and I think that system works as intended by devs. Before, I was thinking that I just had bad luck and that system is accidently broken, causing too many bad players playing too high. After reading people's stories very similiar to mine I don't believe in coincidence anymore. After winning too much games and getting to breakpoint of new rank, next 90% of games you will play with teammates that are complete potato, noob players, reversing your win streak to the point of you being dragged few divisions down. You might excape your destiny in one game, play at 200% and carry like crazy, but you're more than sure that next game will be another potato noob. If the game would matchmake people randomly, it's not possible to have awful players in every single game in a row, also it's not possible that too many of them would slip to higher ranks with such low mechanical skills and understanding of the game. I was checking some of those noobs, and they had like 30-40 hours and played in Gold 3 ...

[Bilbo Laggins]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Phil Swift's can of Flex Seal:

Yup. If they added a metric that tracked points scored or the point differential between the players in each match I think it would mitigate this problem at least a little bit. It probably would not be that hard to do AND it could catch people boosting other players and ban them or just strip their rank so they have to do placements again

Now I kinda updated my views on the subject and I think that system works as intended by devs. Before, I was thinking that I just had bad luck and that system is accidently broken, causing too many bad players playing too high. After reading people's stories very similiar to mine I don't believe in coincidence anymore. After winning too much games and getting to breakpoint of new rank, next 90% of games you will play with teammates that are complete potato, noob players, reversing your win streak to the point of you being dragged few divisions down. You might excape your destiny in one game, play at 200% and carry like crazy, but you're more than sure that next game will be another potato noob. If the game would matchmake people randomly, it's not possible to have awful players in every single game in a row, also it's not possible that too many of them would slip to higher ranks with such low mechanical skills and understanding of the game. I was checking some of those noobs, and they had like 30-40 hours and played in Gold 3 ...

Unfortunately there is not much we can do as players who have actually put in the time to get better other than just accepting it and using it as a learning experience and presenting possible solutions on the forums. I just wish there was a way to manually report boosted/boosting players other than just the "cheating" option. I also wish the system could automatically flag a streak of huge point differentials from partied players.

Edit: OOF. just repeated myself. Haven't had my morning coffee yet