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H4voK- (禁止済) 2019年6月23日 0時53分
Ranked is a joke now.
Title. Too many people pushed up to ranks they don't belong, we need a better system as this one is broken af. I've no idea what rank i should be anymore because of the amount of inconsistent team mates i get every game.

W/L ratio is the most basic way to group people together for ranking, it's the most inconsistent way to actually determine someones actual skill level. Hence the reason ranked is garbage.
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Thyriel の投稿を引用：
Please elaborate how that conspiracy theory is supposed to work on a technical level.

Not only would it require a level of A.I. that has never been seen before in a computer game to determine who is a "bad teammate" and who is a good one, it would also require a malicious intent by Psyonix to program a secret "better working" ranking system that is hidden to everyone of us (why should they still use the MMR system when they have something better working already in the game ??)
All of that programmed by the same guys that are unable to determine saves / assists / shots correctly in the very same game. Sounds totally reasonable to me lol

And lastly, ask the people like me that have friends to team up with: We also have those quite common win / loose streaks. I'm curious how you explain that these happen, or does psyonix sometimes pay my friends to have bad days ?
It's not conspiracy theory, it's just a way to increase time spent in a game and it's not only Psyonix doing this. Players of other games are kinda smarter, you have way more discussions, threads, videos and complaints about "rigged matchmaking' issue in LOL, Overwatch and some other games and it's basically the same experience shared from game to game and player to player, cause they're using very similiar algorithms. EA even published papers and explained that difficulty should be dynamically adjusted and players should NOT be MM with players at the same level of skill in order to increase player engagement. It's called DDA, and EOMM. Definitely RL is doing the same. It's simple - those trash players would be stuck in bronze forever and stop playing pretty fast, better players would reach highest rank way faster and stop playing, so they help those bad players and make a "longer journey" for better players by constantly teaming those groups together. Also they want you to feel good and godlike, because of winning match after match, destroying your opponents, but then you'll be losing game after game cause of your teammates and if you're sane, you know it's their fault, but it's increasing your engagement, cause you see how bad they're, so it's another proof for you, that you're better and don't belong here, but unless you're better by 2/3 ranks than players at this rank you are unable to escape that Elo Hell, so you need to try even harder and play even more to compensate for inadequacy of your teammates. Real MM, based on equal skill would be without those crazy streaks, you will be static with your rank, and matches would be like 1/2 goal difference for the most of time, so you wouldn't feel like god after winning, that's why they simulate those movements and let you win games where you score hat-tricks and humiliate your opponents, so you could feel good, instead of "boring" 1:0 equal match...

They have ways to know, like machine learning, reading stats, real win % it's not that hard.

Lol, I doubt your premade teammates are sellouts, but those "common streaks" wouldn't be common with legit MM. If game wants you to lose and you're playing with team, you're matched against the toughest players in reach of your current MMR, players that are unfairly stucked here, but should be in a higher rank or two. It's all purposely misplaced, they boost trash, stuck better players and quality of teammates/opponents that you encounter depends on what streak you're currently on, not so much about the rank itself.
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DoKo_O 2019年6月23日 2時21分 
how is it broken? your rank is steady since weeks, whats the matter? looks like champ 1 is exactly your rank judging by your stats and history.

i do agree sine im ch2 myself, that people are sometimes not as consisstent as you would wish for, but then on the other hand they whip out a ceiling shot without a warning and make up for their mistakes
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TommyEV 2019年6月23日 3時44分 
Let me guess, those people who dont deserve tjheir ranks are always your teammates and the rival team does deserve it every time.
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Welshy 2019年6月23日 6時46分 
Just been in a game with a diamond carrying golds lol. fun times.
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The Wicker Man (禁止済) 2019年6月23日 9時33分 
It's always been a joke.
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Brimstone 2019年6月23日 10時06分 
Rank is very limited in what it can do TBH. You will always find people at the wrong rank.

BUT in a game that only lasts like 5 minutes, its hard to get an accurate assessment of whether someone is in the wrong rank, they could just be having an off day.

So whos to say if someone is really in the wrong rank except their mates.
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Loomi 2019年6月23日 10時54分 
brimstone の投稿を引用：
Rank is very limited in what it can do TBH. You will always find people at the wrong rank.

BUT in a game that only lasts like 5 minutes, its hard to get an accurate assessment of whether someone is in the wrong rank, they could just be having an off day.

So whos to say if someone is really in the wrong rank except their mates.
Stop making so much sense, this is the steam forums..
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Thyriel 2019年6月23日 11時45分 
DoKo_O の投稿を引用：
i do agree sine im ch2 myself, that people are sometimes not as consisstent as you would wish for
Who here can honestly say that they play consistently themself ? Probably no one. We all have games were we could slap ourself, hit ♥♥♥♥ or ask ourself why tf did i play that ball...
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Psyco 2019年6月23日 11時48分 
This game itself is a joke, who takes seriously ranked people without rank against diamonds a problem has.
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Fighter of the Nightman (禁止済) 2019年6月23日 12時57分 
Thyriel の投稿を引用：
DoKo_O の投稿を引用：
i do agree sine im ch2 myself, that people are sometimes not as consisstent as you would wish for
Who here can honestly say that they play consistently themself ? Probably no one. We all have games were we could slap ourself, hit ♥♥♥♥ or ask ourself why tf did i play that ball...
Exactly. I'm a C2 normally. Been up to C3 but a little too fast for me.

I'm now a D3. Most of it is bc I've had a lot of bad luck and lost a lot of close OT games. Some of it is because I've been playing pretty inconsistently where I will do an awesome redirect off the ceiling one game then the next whiffingg basic aerials.

The ranking system is fine.



Psyco の投稿を引用：
This game itself is a joke, who takes seriously ranked people without rank against diamonds a problem has.
Because after the season your rank is soft reset....brand new unrakned players are put in gold right in the middle. If you're seeing unranked in diamond it's because they were diamond last rank and are redoing their qualification games.

But wait, that is basic common sense. Obviously you're lacking it and would just like to whine about the game.
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DoKo_O 2019年6月23日 13時03分 
Thyriel の投稿を引用：
DoKo_O の投稿を引用：
i do agree sine im ch2 myself, that people are sometimes not as consisstent as you would wish for
Who here can honestly say that they play consistently themself ? Probably no one. We all have games were we could slap ourself, hit ♥♥♥♥ or ask ourself why tf did i play that ball...
i would say im pretty consisstent, but also im not going for stuff that i know wont hit in the first place, maybe thats my downside and why sometimes i get hit with 3 take the shots in a row when i dont instantly fast aerial up there to just challenge it with a slight chance of winning it.

for example, i see so many people who constantly go for air dribbles and ceiling shots and also make it very hard for the other team and apply pressure nonstop, but sometimes when it comes to basic saves which you have to redirect to the backboard for example, they whiff pretty hard.

thats what i meant with consistency. but yeah i do agree mostly
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kbm demon.♡ 2019年6月23日 16時14分 
Yah true for the most part, If I don't get a teammate with Cristianos and Octane, it's over, I don't trust him anymore.
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CharmingRax (禁止済) 2019年6月23日 16時57分 
OP loves shoving the fact that he basically failed to smurf and blames the game for him wasting money on a smurf account :)
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MangorushZ 2019年6月23日 18時51分 
I've been getting too many losses as of recently, over a month I've been on a losing streak, this didn't used to happen before but I know the patch changed something that just makes it extremely difficult to get wins in this game.
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Thyriel 2019年6月24日 6時00分 
MangorushZ の投稿を引用：
I've been getting too many losses as of recently, over a month I've been on a losing streak, this didn't used to happen before but I know the patch changed something that just makes it extremely difficult to get wins in this game.
Sure lol -.-
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Oiski Poiski 2019年6月24日 7時36分 
I'm not saying that the ranking system is broken.
But I've, for the past 2 weeks, seen 70% preteams like this:
1 champ 2/3
1 plat 1/2/3
1 gold 1/2/3.

Some rare occassions with 1 silver instead of gold.

Now, the funny part games in when the Gold is the one with 1.100 points and the Champ 2/3 has the lowest score.
NOw, again. Score means nothing.
But I've seen it too many times that the higher ranked player actually whiffes a lot. They can't save the most basic "Rolling" balls and are totally out of position every time.
BUt the lowest ranked player is insane. Doing ceiling shots, airdribbles, flipresets. He's fast, precise and dribbles the ball without any problems.

Yesterday I played 14 games. 10 of which where constructed like this.
4 of which were normal.

I'm not saying we lost 14 games, or 10, or 4.
Just saying that ou of 14 games 10 were boosting attempts.

Boosting has become a real problem. I'm seeing them more often now than I used to.
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