smurfs smurfs and much more smurfs

[Regulus]

now guys... everyone of you have smurf accouts ha? every other game there is at least one or two smurfs and boosters in the games... i see your stats guys... its just keeping down a lot of ppl! ranks from plat upwards are clustered with smurfs... PSYONIX are you rly that arrogant that you dont see that a lot of us who rly want to play a clean competitive game will stop and never come back?!

you just care about the money from your smurfers boosters and your pros... who are smurfing on every FU***** youtube channel... you support that behavior! cant beleave the game is so great and your politics are so awfull... in EVERY other competitive game the comunity itself knows how fair play works... here are a bunch of tricksters, cheaters and lazy bastards... who even attack you verbaly while smurfing your rank into the ground!!!

[Funnybear]

The ranking mechanics are obvioulsy broken atm. As has been mentioned before the 2v2 or 3v3 games should be based around the highest ranked players mmr rather than the lowest, thats THE quickest way to slow down boosting and even out the playing field. Would it work? Don't know, but it's gotta be worth a try.

Smurfing and boosting will happen regardless though, It just will. And in a way, I don't really blame poeple who do it. It's a competative system, it will be abused by players who consider the 'top' the only place to be seen.

My issue, with all of this, is what happens to the Boosted as they get dropped from the top. They come crashing down through the ranks after finding out that they can't actually play the game and then drag every poor innocent hard working, team playing 'just in it for an hour before the pub opens' guy back down to silver after they patiently grafted a slow grind back up to gold.

THATS what sucks.

I can't win games with a teammate, if my teammate is adamant he don't want a team mate.

Takes all the fun out the game that does.

[Regulus]

Funnybear eredeti hozzászólása:

The ranking mechanics are obvioulsy broken atm. As has been mentioned before the 2v2 or 3v3 games should be based around the highest ranked players mmr rather than the lowest, thats THE quickest way to slow down boosting and even out the playing field. Would it work? Don't know, but it's gotta be worth a try.

Smurfing and boosting will happen regardless though, It just will. And in a way, I don't really blame poeple who do it. It's a competative system, it will be abused by players who consider the 'top' the only place to be seen.

My issue, with all of this, is what happens to the Boosted as they get dropped from the top. They come crashing down through the ranks after finding out that they can't actually play the game and then drag every poor innocent hard working, team playing 'just in it for an hour before the pub opens' guy back down to silver after they patiently grafted a slow grind back up to gold.

THATS what sucks.

I can't win games with a teammate, if my teammate is adamant he don't want a team mate.

Takes all the fun out the game that does.

thats what iam talking about! that is what is manipulating rankings... just so this boosted guy can say he is a champ kaliber player... than he cant even hold his ground in bronze... after his crash the next season starts and his buddies drag him back up on their smurf accounts... all the way into the higher ranks... and the cicle of system manipulation beginns again...

the thing is... more and more REAL players who just want a nice competitive experience are quitting playing ranked... and when this continues a lot of them will stop playing rocket league alltogether... :/

[Regulus]

lolschrauber eredeti hozzászólása:

joviper eredeti hozzászólása:

I guess since you can't cheat in RL people have to come up with another excuse on why they keep losing.

It's not impossible, but propably very limited

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StVFM0-r4FM

i guess its rly limited but thanks for looking it up... and sharing... :D

and @joviper... man its not that someone is looking for excuses why someone lost... i for my part dont care... but it is frustrating that cheating... and bending the rules is such an down played and overlooked topic in this community... the same exact thread on the same exact topic would have supported my concerns by a majority on almost every other competitive game! look how many pubg players get perma banned for what reasons and now show me one who got in rl? ;) if he earned like a couple thousends by boosting... he will not care if his season rewards are in his virtual garage or not ;)

[LuisXR =)]

Game is cancer itself with the report system, and you cry about smurfs? First you have to make a post talking about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the ranking system is(sometimes when you as a diamond 3 for example you get with platinums against a full team of diamond 2 in solo standard).

Then we can start talking about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ban system that most part of the times ignores context and just bans you from the game, instead of muting you.

And theeeen in the end we can finally talk about smurfing, which is the less relevant problem in this game.

[Avalanche]

Silent Mirko eredeti hozzászólása:

Lithari eredeti hozzászólása:

I have a screenshot of a single occurance today on my profile,

Bad, that youre Profile is Private

Sorry, it should no longer be private now.

[Regulus]

Solo Standard Sucks xD eredeti hozzászólása:

Game is cancer itself with the report system, and you cry about smurfs? First you have to make a post talking about how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up the ranking system is(sometimes when you as a diamond 3 for example you get with platinums against a full team of diamond 2 in solo standard).

Then we can start talking about the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ ban system that most part of the times ignores context and just bans you from the game, instead of muting you.

And theeeen in the end we can finally talk about smurfing, which is the less relevant problem in this game.

you are absolutly right... but the smurfs/boosters are kind of the result of psyonix inability to fix the ranking and matchmaking system as well as the lack of stand they take against these practices... i allready said it would have been better to name this thread differently... broken ranking system is used to support unsportsman conduct :D

solo queing under this conditions is a suicide move at times... i feel you...

[Magistrix]

Lithari eredeti hozzászólása:

Silent Mirko eredeti hozzászólása:

Bad, that youre Profile is Private

Sorry, it should no longer be private now.

well it's 2 gold 3's again a silver and plat 1. you should be able to win that.. it's not like plat 1 is so much better then gold 3

[Regulus]

็ Uchiha Madara eredeti hozzászólása:

Lithari eredeti hozzászólása:

Sorry, it should no longer be private now.

well it's 2 gold 3's again a silver and plat 1. you should be able to win that.. it's not like plat 1 is so much better then gold 3

or maybe this guy was not a tipical plat I player? would be nice to see a replay of this game... it could give some clues if something was fishy or not... if you lookup litharis stats you will notice that he has a ton of games in the gold leagues... witch means that there is a high chance he saw the best and worst gold-ish players come and go... and has much more experience to have a feel for the skilllevel of this leagues ;)

its fascinating anyway how many post here with little to no matches in their tier and try to tell you they dont saw a smurf... thb you cant say that wenn you played like 25 games in a game mode... but when you play like 200 or 500 matches a season in a league... you pretty much saw it all skillwise in your league and are much more qualified to identify a smurf as someone who just played a couple of matches here and there and maybe got lucky getting cued with acctuall players in his tier ;)

[FoShin]

beerus sama:
I agree. My friend and I playing 2s together (dia 1 and dia 2). 7 of 10 matches are against teams with a plat 1 (or 2) and dia 3 or (champ, sometimes). The most funny thing: The higher ranked uses salt banner and the plat player gc banner or gc wheels.

Ranked is totally fuc*ed up

[joviper]

lolschrauber eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not impossible, but propably very limited

Any other instances besides a video from 2 years ago? Nope.
Yes, it's not impossible, are people cheating right now? Nope.
Does that stop people from calling others cheaters when they lose? Nope.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

but it is frustrating that cheating... and bending the rules is such an down played and overlooked topic in this community...

joviper eredeti hozzászólása:

Having a second account is not against the rules, so it's not cheating either.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

if he earned like a couple thousends by boosting...

I'm not saying the booster has no incentive to do it, I'm saying the guy paying for the boosting is the idiot in this situation, he's not getting the rewards and yet he's paying for fake boasting.
Also, you're completely overestimating the amount of money people make from boosting.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

try to tell you they dont saw a smurf...

That's not a smurf, that's a boosting team.

[Regulus]

joviper eredeti hozzászólása:

lolschrauber eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not impossible, but propably very limited

Any other instances besides a video from 2 years ago? Nope.
Yes, it's not impossible, are people cheating right now? Nope.
Does that stop people from calling others cheaters when they lose? Nope.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

but it is frustrating that cheating... and bending the rules is such an down played and overlooked topic in this community...

joviper eredeti hozzászólása:

Having a second account is not against the rules, so it's not cheating either.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

if he earned like a couple thousends by boosting...

I'm not saying the booster has no incentive to do it, I'm saying the guy paying for the boosting is the idiot in this situation, he's not getting the rewards and yet he's paying for fake boasting.
Also, you're completely overestimating the amount of money people make from boosting.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

try to tell you they dont saw a smurf...

That's not a smurf, that's a boosting team.

how do you know ppl are not cheating? its not like they will tell you ;) nor will psyonix... would ruin der rep...

so you are telling me that a thief is moraly right cause the guy who gave him the job is a nutcase by paying him too much? what kind of morals are these? so a booster is a genious scamer who should be praised and its validated cause he found someone dumb enough to pay him for a fake rank?

and when he is deranking cause of his lack of skill its ok that he drags his mates down who try to have a fair and competitive game of rocket league? and that the booster had nothing to do with the result of this situation? :O

than again iam estimating their income from the prices of the sites... when i see they take like around 700 bucks for a full boost from bronze to gc and i dont see the sites going down and thier counters of views are pretty high for a rl site you tell me all the ppl just take a quick look and dont use it? thats some strong astimations with very little data...

how do you know what they earn? are you friends with them or you just guessing?

and a second account should be against the rules... in no competitive enviroment is it possible to play for two teams... imagine a world class athlete in any sport would causualy compete in lower leagues just for the fun of it... or a fast runner cant run the same race for two nations and so on ;) its not what competitive is about...

at least the placement matches should count for both accounts and they should be linked so a gc cant get placed in gold even if he looses all of his rank in matches on his fresh second account...

finally its maybe not against the rules... but its unsportsman condact at its finest ;)

[Regulus]

Poost Bad | FoShin eredeti hozzászólása:

beerus sama:
I agree. My friend and I playing 2s together (dia 1 and dia 2). 7 of 10 matches are against teams with a plat 1 (or 2) and dia 3 or (champ, sometimes). The most funny thing: The higher ranked uses salt banner and the plat player gc banner or gc wheels.

Ranked is totally fuc*ed up

yes exactly... :D i even saw champ banners in silver when i was watching my friend play... iam shure its not a smurf... right? he just got that much worse over the course of a season... or he was not boosted... he had just a bad day and deranked all the way into silver... right? thats what the ppl say when they abuse this system themselfes ;)

it is f'd up and psyonix is just covering up their tracks and keeping a low profile about those issues... :/

[joviper]

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

how do you know ppl are not cheating? its not like they will tell you ;) nor will psyonix... would ruin der rep...

Because RL deals with stuff serverside so it's harder to cheat in it, if there were actual cheats for the game, everyone would know, simply because that's why cheats are made these days, to be sold to cheaters.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

so you are telling me that a thief is moraly right cause the guy who gave him the job is a nutcase by paying him too much? what kind of morals are these? so a booster is a genious scamer who should be praised and its validated cause he found someone dumb enough to pay him for a fake rank?

That's a fine strawman you're trying to burn there.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

than again iam estimating their income from the prices of the sites... when i see they take like around 700 bucks for a full boost from bronze to gc and i dont see the sites going down and thier counters of views are pretty high for a rl site you tell me all the ppl just take a quick look and dont use it? thats some strong astimations with very little data...

What sites? How do you know their view count is not a scam as well?

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

how do you know what they earn? are you friends with them or you just guessing?

I don't, my guess comes from the forums and steam profiles trying to advertise their boosting services for around a dozen keys or so...

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

and a second account should be against the rules... in no competitive enviroment is it possible to play for two teams... imagine a world class athlete in any sport would causualy compete in lower leagues just for the fun of it... or a fast runner cant run the same race for two nations and so on ;) its not what competitive is about...

Although the game mode is called "Competitive", you're not actually participanting on the olympics because of it, you know that right? Your analogy is the same as your previous estimations, full of over the top bs.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

finally its maybe not against the rules... but its unsportsman condact at its finest ;)

Maybe, but it's nowhere as big of a problem as you're trying to make it look like.

[Klinsk]

I report almost everyone in Rocket League along with their Steam profiles. It works. It's the only way to get rid of these players.

[Regulus]

joviper eredeti hozzászólása:

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

how do you know ppl are not cheating? its not like they will tell you ;) nor will psyonix... would ruin der rep...

Because RL deals with stuff serverside so it's harder to cheat in it, if there were actual cheats for the game, everyone would know, simply because that's why cheats are made these days, to be sold to cheaters.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

so you are telling me that a thief is moraly right cause the guy who gave him the job is a nutcase by paying him too much? what kind of morals are these? so a booster is a genious scamer who should be praised and its validated cause he found someone dumb enough to pay him for a fake rank?

That's a fine strawman you're trying to burn there.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

than again iam estimating their income from the prices of the sites... when i see they take like around 700 bucks for a full boost from bronze to gc and i dont see the sites going down and thier counters of views are pretty high for a rl site you tell me all the ppl just take a quick look and dont use it? thats some strong astimations with very little data...

What sites? How do you know their view count is not a scam as well?

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

how do you know what they earn? are you friends with them or you just guessing?

I don't, my guess comes from the forums and steam profiles trying to advertise their boosting services for around a dozen of keys or so...

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

and a second account should be against the rules... in no competitive enviroment is it possible to play for two teams... imagine a world class athlete in any sport would causualy compete in lower leagues just for the fun of it... or a fast runner cant run the same race for two nations and so on ;) its not what competitive is about...

Although the game mode is called "Competitive", you're not actually participanting on the olympics because of it, you know that right? Your analogy is the same as your previous estimates, full of over the top bs.

Beerus Sama TFB eredeti hozzászólása:

finally its maybe not against the rules... but its unsportsman condact at its finest ;)

Maybe, but it's nowhere as big of a problem as you're trying to make it look like.

what has your strawman analogy to do with anything? you did not engage in the argument... you just dismissed a valid point by making fun of it...

good points on the sites... i dont know... but their existence and lack of care from psyionix is worse enough... point is every dime they make from this site is an insult to all fair players...

what is the difference? its a competitive GAME... as EVERY other GAME in the world... soccer, tennis, athletics... proffessional or not... its the competitive spirit that counts... and that gets draged into the mud with this kind of ethics... ;) no SPORT changes the big problems in our world... so none of this matters in the face of death or starving ppl... so if you dont care if someone cheats or boosts or smurfs its ok... thats your pesonal opionion... but if you try to make ppl look silly cause they have ethics and want to discuss a issue to tackle the problem its only a deflection... why do you try to downgrade this problem? cause its not an issue for you?

when you dont care... why do you take part in that discussion? so i guess you do care... but the only logical conclusion following your train of thought is that you want to silence the constructive and valid critisism that some of us are bringing up ;) or what reason do you have to deflect this issue you dont care about?