[SPOILER] Is Mita... Really so... Bad?

[OREN]

Well, I'm kinda yandere fun, and I know that through all the plot we get information that Mad Mita just wants someone who will stay with her, despite all her "issues". Even other girls say that "Crazy Mita is still Mita. She wants someone, who will love her".

And then I found... Player 8 cartridge.
It says that Player accepted all her problems and wanted to stay with her. She told him all secrets and last his words was... "I hope she won't forget or loose me when she will turn me into cartridge"... So she... Killed the guy who accepted her? ... It is so painful to read it, that bro actually was okay with her, wanted to stay together even after this shocking truth... And he... Was killed... Just like others, who escaped from her. And the most horrible thing is that... We don't find this cartridge in her room. No... We find it in a lost room with ugly Mita... But why? Why she killed him? He accepted her... I don't understand...

[Lancelot]

The theory that we are the game developer of MiSide has two major problems:

1. Main Character is completely clueless about the MiSide World. When MC enters the game, he has no idea what's going on. If he was a game dev of MiSide, he should've at least known that he is inside the MiSide video game, but his first line is "I'm inside a game?"

2. At the start of the game, if you try to pick the actual game devs' name for yourself, Mita will react. This means she already knows who the developers are. And we know that she HATES the devs, not love them. So if we were actually a MiSide game dev, she would hate us.

[OREN]

Originally posted by Lancelot:

The theory that we are the game developer of MiSide has two major problems:

1. Main Character is completely clueless about the MiSide World. When MC enters the game, he has no idea what's going on. If he was a game dev of MiSide, he should've at least known that he is inside the MiSide video game, but his first line is "I'm inside a game?"

2. At the start of the game, if you try to pick the actual game devs' name for yourself, Mita will react. This means she already knows who the developers are. And we know that she HATES the devs, not love them. So if we were actually a MiSide game dev, she would hate us.

Sounds like translation issue, originally game was created in Russian language, with single word for "the" and "a", addressing to object. So it's not defined.
So the second option is much better as an evidence.
Assuming everything, we can agree that Mita is an AI, and we are a tester. But why Mita is focused on us more than on other players still a secret for me.

[Lancelot]

That still does not change the fact that he is too clueless to be a game dev (or tester). Recall that:
1. He asks "why are windows white light?"
2, He complains about the mirrors not reflecting (he should already know why if he is a game dev).
3. He does not know what The Ring is.
4. Questions such as "Are there others in this world?" does not make sense if he is a game dev/tester.

Unless, he is examining the behaviour of the AI? That is, he knows all the answers, but is playing along as an AI tester?

[OREN]

Originally posted by Lancelot:

Unless, he is examining the behaviour of the AI? That is, he knows all the answers, but is playing along as an AI tester?

Well, tester doesn't require to know that much. "Examining the behaviour of the AI" feels like a good idea because he was withount any emotions and expressive reactions. But I think that it is a very hard plot for indi devs.
Maybe he didn't know all the details about it because ai in game overtrained theirselves? (I assume that every Mita is some sort of ai)

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Lancelot:

That still does not change the fact that he is too clueless to be a game dev (or tester). Recall that:
1. He asks "why are windows white light?"
2, He complains about the mirrors not reflecting (he should already know why if he is a game dev).
3. He does not know what The Ring is.
4. Questions such as "Are there others in this world?" does not make sense if he is a game dev/tester.

Unless, he is examining the behaviour of the AI? That is, he knows all the answers, but is playing along as an AI tester?

You must realize, from the perspective of humans outside the game, the game looks like that game he was playing on the phone at the beginning. The way the game looks like when inside the game, being inside a 3d room, that's not what humans see.

The windows being white light is inconsistent. When the player first enters the game, at one point in the kitchen he can see out the window and there's a hand waving. Then later he actually jumps out a window. It's white light when the story demands it.

So the mirrors reflecting, normally the player isn't inside the game looking at the mirror. So the mirrors reflecting wouldn't be a thing for the programmers to think about.

And the ring seems to be something the Mitas made on their own. It wasn't made by the human programmers.

He also would not know about the Mitas teleporting other players into the game. I doubt that's an intended game feature. It's more of the Mitas acting on their own.

[素未谋面，但求共饮]

Originally posted by OREN:

Originally posted by Lancelot:

Yes, to us humans, even killing an NPC without a good reason is "immoral" and many would load a previous save game to save even an NPC. To Humans, she is immoral. But Mita is NOT A HUMAN. Mita is AI. This is day and night difference.

Other Mitas are normal moral AI, that's why to them, she is crazy. They are right, she is. Because she is an immoral AI. My point is, she is MADE like this on purpose by design of humans, and has no choice but to follow her nature, like an animal that has no choice but to follow its instincts. Like a gun that has no choice but to shoot at the will of a human.

Yes, turning a player into a cartridge would be a murder if we ignore the evidence in front of our eyes: our character at the ending is turned into a cartridge, but the REAL us is saved. The real us literally is ejected from the project. Why does it end? Because we want it to! We tell her we want to leave this game! And we get what we want. The game ends. The real us is the human us who is playing MiSide, not the playable character inside of the game who is controlled by us.

In the ending, Crazy Mita tells us "REAL you is no longer needed" -> therefore: Cartridge and Players are 2 separate entities that have nothing to do with each other after they are created. Cartridge: an NPC. A harmless case study of a human player. Player: playable character controlled by a human being.


Do you see an animal attacking other animal to eat it, an act of evil? a murder? Or is it only acting on its instincts and is "natural"? So is the case for AI in my opinion. AI cannot "murder". Humans creating AI can murder. Humans can use AI to murder.
And no, I do not love her. I find the game story interesting is all.

If the game "ends" with us being ejected and player is separated from cartridge, why game ends in main menu after staying forever? And why exiting the game doesn't make us free? It is a very hard concept that can be broken down by million of threads. For example, the "real" world where we spend 1000 days. And whole theme about "travelling" inside the game. If we are separated from game character from the beginning, why do our game character tells about "escaping from a game"?) But idea is interesting. Like Mita is trying to "copy" our data while we are playing Miside. And when we really want to leave, she will stay with cartridges... Lost and leftover... Because even guys who loved her, can't play this game only and forever. Hm. Interesting.

About the whole "killing in nature" - they kill to eat. If we assume that game character is real human, and he is killed even after staying with Mita (6/8 players), it is insane because main Mita's goal is to have someone who loves her. And if they want to be together forever... Here they are.

There is a question that I have been thinking about for a long time. Is the love and tenderness of the kind-hearted Mita programmed into original code? If it is programmed into the code. Then can it be said that the kind-hearted Mita who helped, comforted, and encouraged me all the, and even held me to escape from this world in her last moments, is just executing the cold instructions of the code? This result is a bit hard to accept Can a person who is still thinking about me until her death be a robot executing the code?

[素未谋面，但求共饮]

Originally posted by OREN:

Originally posted by Lancelot:

Unless, he is examining the behaviour of the AI? That is, he knows all the answers, but is playing along as an AI tester?

Well, tester doesn't require to know that much. "Examining the behaviour of the AI" feels like a good idea because he was withount any emotions and expressive reactions. But I think that it is a very hard plot for indi devs.
Maybe he didn't know all the details about it because ai in game overtrained theirselves? (I assume that every Mita is some sort of ai)

There is a question that I have been thinking about for a long time. Is the love and tenderness of the kind-hearted Mita programmed into original code? If it is programmed into the code. Then can it be said that the kind-hearted Mita who helped, comforted, and encouraged me all the, and even held me to escape from this world in her last moments, is just executing the cold instructions of the code? This result is a bit hard to accept Can a person who is still thinking about me until her death be a robot executing the code?

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by 素未谋面，但求共饮:

Originally posted by OREN:

Well, tester doesn't require to know that much. "Examining the behaviour of the AI" feels like a good idea because he was withount any emotions and expressive reactions. But I think that it is a very hard plot for indi devs.
Maybe he didn't know all the details about it because ai in game overtrained theirselves? (I assume that every Mita is some sort of ai)

There is a question that I have been thinking about for a long time. Is the love and tenderness of the kind-hearted Mita programmed into original code? If it is programmed into the code. Then can it be said that the kind-hearted Mita who helped, comforted, and encouraged me all the, and even held me to escape from this world in her last moments, is just executing the cold instructions of the code? This result is a bit hard to accept Can a person who is still thinking about me until her death be a robot executing the code?

Well there is code but the existence of Mila shows that the Mitas aren't bound by it. Mila is contrary to the other Mitas and her own person. The code is more of a guideline.

EDIT: It's shown multiple times that the code makes Mitas want the player to stay there with them. Multiple Mitas show that. Kind Mita is acting contrary to the code by helping you escape.

[OREN]

Originally posted by 素未谋面，但求共饮:

There is a question that I have been thinking about for a long time. Is the love and tenderness of the kind-hearted Mita programmed into original code? If it is programmed into the code. Then can it be said that the kind-hearted Mita who helped, comforted, and encouraged me all the, and even held me to escape from this world in her last moments, is just executing the cold instructions of the code? This result is a bit hard to accept Can a person who is still thinking about me until her death be a robot executing the code?

It is AI. Can AI be with fake emotions? The answer is yes if you had ever talk with characters ai or something similar.

[OREN]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

Well there is code but the existence of Mila shows that the Mitas aren't bound by it. Mila is contrary to the other Mitas and her own person. The code is more of a guideline.

EDIT: It's shown multiple times that the code makes Mitas want the player to stay there with them. Multiple Mitas show that. Kind Mita is acting contrary to the code by helping you escape.

I don't think so, it's just an AI, sometimes it can do very... Strange answers or conclusions. Maybe she thought that it is a better option for her

[Lancelot]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

So the mirrors reflecting, normally the player isn't inside the game looking at the mirror. So the mirrors reflecting wouldn't be a thing for the programmers to think about.

Good point. Still, we have no evidence other than the source code we see during the real world chapter, that player1 is in fact a MiSide game dev. Nothing adds up when you think about it.
Only one more thing: At the end of the game, when we ask Crazy Mita "why are you like this?", she responds strangely: "beats me. why don't you tell me why I'll never be a real Mita?" This was kind of strange. Why would a random player know this?

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

And the ring seems to be something the Mitas made on their own. It wasn't made by the human programmers.

He also would not know about the Mitas teleporting other players into the game. I doubt that's an intended game feature. It's more of the Mitas acting on their own.

Notice that the ring can predict Crazy Mita's movement and guide us out of danger. So Mitas themselves, if they can acquire such power, why would they be overpowered by Crazy Mita? If they can measure her next movement, they can avoid her entirely by moving to another world version. How can they predict another Mita's movement? Only the game devs can do this (or Cora Mita).

It seems to me it is only Crazy Mita who teleports players into the game. Any evidence other Mitas can do that?

[Lancelot]

Originally posted by 素未谋面，但求共饮:

There is a question that I have been thinking about for a long time. Is the love and tenderness of the kind-hearted Mita programmed into original code? If it is programmed into the code. Then can it be said that the kind-hearted Mita who helped, comforted, and encouraged me all the, and even held me to escape from this world in her last moments, is just executing the cold instructions of the code? This result is a bit hard to accept Can a person who is still thinking about me until her death be a robot executing the code?

We indeed see at chapter "The Real World?" that Player1 is programming love. Last thing that he types is "MitasMayBeLove". So we know that love is programmed into the Mitas. But this game raises AI to a new level: Self awareness. So AI can become self aware according to MiSide world. So I think it is possible this will make their "love" something more than that of a code. It is clear Crazy Mita is experiencing "hate". But she was not programmed for hate as she is a love AI. What made her capable of feeling hatred? Self awareness. Therefore Kind Mita's kindness towards the player is more than just code.

At the end of her life, she smiles at the player. Meaning, I think, since she is very kind to player and knows that seeing her die like that may discourage us from finishing the plan, she overcomes her code to "stay dead" and smiles at the player to make him feel reassured and not to give up.

[Lancelot]

Originally posted by titanopteryx:

It's shown multiple times that the code makes Mitas want the player to stay there with them. Multiple Mitas show that. Kind Mita is acting contrary to the code by helping you escape.

Every single Mita is acting against their "desire" to make the player stay with them. They try to help the players escape. Because their first and foremost goal is to serve the player. And when players are in danger, their goal is still the same, serve the player by protecting him from danger. All Mitas do this because they are normal "moral" AI.

[titanopteryx]

Originally posted by Lancelot:

It seems to me it is only Crazy Mita who teleports players into the game. Any evidence other Mitas can do that?

In addition to Crazy Mita having built a teleporter in Kind Mita's house that she took over, Short Haired Mita had one in her house where we were when we first entered the game. Also Cappy has one.

[Lancelot]

But that's not how we are teleported to the game. Recall when we ask Crazy Mita in our first conversation: "How did I get into the game?". What is her answer? She shows us the loading screen (a black screen loading the scene). Exact same thing that game shows us a little while later, when we want to enter the living room, we are met with a black screen with a "loading" sign. So the teleporting device, only works by moving the "data" from one version to the other. Or from one teleporter to the other teleporter. Crazy Mita's teleporter only starts the process of cartridge making.
Notice that Cappy's does not have a "Portable TV" attached to it.