Bring classic Lara back in TR12.

[OyajiBR☕]

My nephew just turned 8, he played Tomb Raider 1 and 2 for the first time (modern controls with joystick) and he absolutely loved the game and Lara as a character, so I gave him the 123 remaster as birthday present. In a few words, classic Tomb Raider is not "outdated" at all, today's kids like her too. We need the next game with classic Lara, dual pistols, creative puzzles, exploration and silent ambients.

[Nightmare]

Great idea, but unfortunately we don't know how devs and publishers think about this.

Perhaps the majority of gamers, especially new generation gamers, will not like it?
I tend to believe the majority wants "more action, less thinking"

Since I'm old gen player, I of course always support games that are kind of old-fashioned but still look good, as it is the case for TR Remastered.

I'm also open for new games, but I like to have variation.
Best example is Resident Evil 2 Remake.
Apparently people love the 3rd person view, but I really dislike it.
Fortunately, a fixed camera mod was released so that I played and enjoyed the game.

What is also good that TR Remastered offer both tank and modern controls, so that no one gets forced to use some control scheme they don't like.

Cheers!

[OyajiBR☕]

Guys, just to be clear, I mean something like classic Lara in modern graphics and gameplay like the TR2 fan remake, not literally a new Core-like game. Crystal can hate classic Lara as they want, the fact is that people easily, totally forgot their annoying archer when the fan remake demo and now remasters came. Embracer is bigger than Crystal and if they're smart they'll bring classic Lara back. Braid, 2 pistols, backpack, sarcasm, self-confidence, exploration and decent puzzles, it's all we need.

[Tilarta]

Which version of Lara do you mean?
In the classic game era, we have 2 versions, TRI-V and TRVI.

The one game mechanic I would keep from the successive games is the tranquilizer gun, which was added to sedate animals.
But uncertain if that weapon can be imported into classic TR.

I too would prefer a return to classic Tomb Raider.
But Crystal Dynamics would not approve of such a thing, given all the effort they've put into "correcting" Tomb Raider.
Which will be all for nothing, since a reasonable prediction is that the pending title they have planned will only sell minimally and at that point, the only choices will be to relaunch classic Tomb Raider or just stop making games.

[OyajiBR☕]

Publicado originalmente por Tilarta:

Which version of Lara do you mean?
In the classic game era, we have 2 versions, TRI-V and TRVI.

The one game mechanic I would keep from the successive games is the tranquilizer gun, which was added to sedate animals.
But uncertain if that weapon can be imported into classic TR.

I too would prefer a return to classic Tomb Raider.
But Crystal Dynamics would not approve of such a thing, given all the effort they've put into "correcting" Tomb Raider.
Which will be all for nothing, since a reasonable prediction is that the pending title they have planned will only sell minimally and at that point, the only choices will be to relaunch classic Tomb Raider or just stop making games.

Well, TR1-5 Lara and TR6 Lara are the same, but in the early 2000s there was a gothic trend, which is why the game is darker. LAU Lara was still Lara, a little more emotional due to the plot, but still that wonderful woman. If she's like TR1-5, TR6 or LAU, I'll be happy. But the exploration and puzzles need to be like TR1-6, definitely.

[Selnar 𖤐]

ONE of the biggest things for me with newer TRs (and most modern games in general) is the jump and grab. In classic TRs, precision was everything when you made a jump. In these others, you can aimlessly jump toward your target location and you're guaranteed to make it. It ruins the experience imo
I would love if they brought back precise jumping and grabbing in a new TR, and got rid of the brain dead one

[Selnar 𖤐]

Publicado originalmente por Tilarta:

Which version of Lara do you mean?
In the classic game era, we have 2 versions, TRI-V and TRVI.

The one game mechanic I would keep from the successive games is the tranquilizer gun, which was added to sedate animals.
But uncertain if that weapon can be imported into classic TR.

I too would prefer a return to classic Tomb Raider.
But Crystal Dynamics would not approve of such a thing, given all the effort they've put into "correcting" Tomb Raider.
Which will be all for nothing, since a reasonable prediction is that the pending title they have planned will only sell minimally and at that point, the only choices will be to relaunch classic Tomb Raider or just stop making games.

If CD fails Lara once again (which im sure they will), some other company that CARES about Lara and TR needs to take it away from them. They've done nothing but ruin the character and the games. The games progressively got worse and worse. I hope the new one gets absolutely bombed with negative reviews if it doesn't deliver what we're all wanting. I said what i said!!

[EF_Neo1st]

Publicado originalmente por Selnar 𖤐:

Publicado originalmente por Tilarta:

Which version of Lara do you mean?
In the classic game era, we have 2 versions, TRI-V and TRVI.

The one game mechanic I would keep from the successive games is the tranquilizer gun, which was added to sedate animals.
But uncertain if that weapon can be imported into classic TR.

I too would prefer a return to classic Tomb Raider.
But Crystal Dynamics would not approve of such a thing, given all the effort they've put into "correcting" Tomb Raider.
Which will be all for nothing, since a reasonable prediction is that the pending title they have planned will only sell minimally and at that point, the only choices will be to relaunch classic Tomb Raider or just stop making games.

If CD fails Lara once again (which im sure they will), some other company that CARES about Lara and TR needs to take it away from them. They've done nothing but ruin the character and the games. The games progressively got worse and worse. I hope the new one gets absolutely bombed with negative reviews if it doesn't deliver what we're all wanting. I said what i said!!

Thing is, and dont get me wrong, they often try out some "type of game" that is being a success, like the Prince of Persia + God of War games that for Crystal Dynamics became the LAU trilogy or Uncharted that for Crystal Dynamics became Tomb Raider 2013 then Rise then they sort of mixed the LAU trilogy with Uncharted and we have Shadow of the Tomb Raider.
Crystal Dynamics dont like Lara and it shows on their message on this remaster and how they treated Lara over the years with their games, they say Lara Croft (the CORE Lara) is a sexualized masculine view (while they themselves sexualized Lara in the LAU trilogy with unlockable bikinis and "normal costumes" that are way more tighter and revealing for no reason) and say that Lara and the Tomb Raider made by CORE did not represent the cultures of the past and dont respect the cultures of the past ... while Lara only kills animals to survive, to not get killed, and only fights what fights her, like what as is given the option in Tibet to shoot the monks or to help the monks, different fro the "survivor trilogy" where Lara just kills the iindigenous because the indigenous Lara kills are portrayed "almost as" animals (the Yaaxil) that only knows how to attack and move in ways that sort of resemble that of animals (not talking about the Paititi people but the indigenous Lara kills), that combined with the message left by Crystal Dynamics on this remaster ... so all in all it is safe to say Crystal dont like neither trust CORE Tomb Raiders and Lara Croft (or else they would had kept faithful the lore of Lara and the way Tomb Raider games play) also lied to make it look worst on the message in this remaster so I really dont expect a "good Tomb Raider" from Crystal Dynamics even more as they changed Lara from being Lara into being a generic bulky female with the Netlix adaptation they made her body as masculine as possible (as there are fit women and mountain climbers irl that dont look anywhere like that while looking more like the CORE Lara Croft, so it is not like the real, one and only Lara Croft design made by CORE can not exist irl, it is not sexualizing Lara if she is made that beautiful, beautiful women like Lara do exist in real life and just "more defined muscles" would need to be added while the breast size would not be the same because it is the result of intense training if done constantly)
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/bc/f0/59/bcf059784b65a4dbfadcd4f83c677e43.jpg
https://images.stockcake.com/public/c/b/e/cbef45ed-0145-4dcb-a63b-1f0e934d3caf_large/joyful-mountain-climber-stockcake.jpg

Thing is, ask yourself, what are the "top selling games" we have nowadays?
Call of Duty
Assassins Creed
Elden Ring
Cyber Punk 2077
So they probably will try an open world shooter with RPG elements and oversimplified parkour (honestly if they went anything like the Elden Ring DLC would be a surprise as it is as close to a Tomb Raider free exploration as an open world can get).

[Nightmare]

To summarize the thread:
Fack Crystal Dynamics! 😤

But let's wait and see how successful the 2nd Remaster Trilogy will be.

Perhaps this could be a motivation to create high iq Tomb Raider games again.

Cheers!

[Tilarta]

Honestly, I don't think Lara will be a part of Crystal Dynamic's Fau Raider game for much longer, we're starting to see signs she'll be relagated to being a background character so CD can add a new main character, one that meets their "sensitivity" checklist.

@Selnar 𖤐
And when Fake Raider fails, Saber Interactive and Aspyr will be readily available to take over the production of the franchise.
I am hoping they restart the classic Tomb Raider universe if they are given this opportunity, thereby erasing all of the alternative continuities.

@OyajiBR☕
What I meant was, do you want more TR5 type games or TR6 games?
While Lara is the same character, the gameplay in TR6 is substantially different, like Mass Effect instead of Tomb Raider.

[EF_Neo1st]

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Honestly, I don't think Lara will be a part of Crystal Dynamic's Fau Raider game for much longer, we're starting to see signs she'll be relagated to being a background character so CD can add a new main character, one that meets their "sensitivity" checklist.

@Selnar 𖤐
And when Fake Raider fails, Saber Interactive and Aspyr will be readily available to take over the production of the franchise.
I am hoping they restart the classic Tomb Raider universe if they are given this opportunity, thereby erasing all of the alternative continuities.

@OyajiBR☕
What I meant was, do you want more TR5 type games or TR6 games?
While Lara is the same character, the gameplay in TR6 is substantially different, like Mass Effect instead of Tomb Raider.

What may very well take another 20 years or more.

And I would want more Tomb Raider 5 gameplay instead, AoD is just .... I better not comment, lets see if the remaster somehow make me enjoy that game a little bit.

[Nightmare]

Gameplay of TR1 till TR5 is really good for me.
A bit higher iq for enemies and some new objects.
However, the block style can stay if you ask me.

Regarding the level design TR2 would be a good orientation.
Some TR3 levels are also fine, and for TR4 and TR5 I don't remember.

For the controls it's import to support both tank and modern ones, because I don't want to control the camera 90% of the time when using a gamepad.
This is what bothers me most in modern games.

Cheers!

[Das Trojanische Pferd]

The gameplay from the old games is for me far superior to the new games just making it more cinematic and maybe adding more story cutscenes would work wonders the new games just sucks......

[Tilarta]

I should have clarified, I didn't mean the character of Lara.
I meant the gameplay, if the series was to hypothetically continue with what is familiar to us, would we want the TR5 engine or the TR6 engine?

I don't think the downfall of Crystal Dynamics' version will take 20 years, 2 months at most.
When the sales data comes in and they see how few copies of their newest game are actually selling, decisions will have to be made regarding the future of the franchise.

[Powellinho.72]

Publicado originalmente por OyajiBR☕:

My nephew just turned 8, he played Tomb Raider 1 and 2 for the first time (modern controls with joystick) and he absolutely loved the game and Lara as a character, so I gave him the 123 remaster as birthday present. In a few words, classic Tomb Raider is not "outdated" at all, today's kids like her too. We need the next game with classic Lara, dual pistols, creative puzzles, exploration and silent ambients.

Its done im afraid, they are never going back to classic lara at this point. Look at the disclaimer the publisher forced the devs to put in, they dont want classic lara type games and her character.

[GamerXT]

You like Age of Empires, Powellinho ? What one is your favourite I wonder...