Being able to place the Large Furnace on a floor or at least a foundation

[Chad]

The large furnace is a must-have if you plan on making your own metal fragments and sulfur but my god what is this thing awful to place. I know there are ways to place it inside your base but it's such a chore sometimes.

Small furnaces are useless because you need 20 of those to get a reasonable ammount of sulfur and metal but the large furnace is so hard to place. You mostly need to place it before you build the rest of your base so it makes you really vulnurable early in game.

An easy fix would be to make the large furnace able to be placed on a floor or a foundation. You would need of course enough room (4 square tiles or 6 triangle tiles are big enough to accomodate a large furnace).

Also the ammount of clearance you need at the top of the furnace is a bit too high if you ask me. I understand there is lots of smoke and you shouldn't build a floor exactly on the top of a large furnace, but right now you need to have at least 5 levels of floor before you can actually seal your base off. All for a single large furnace. And this of course screams: "I have a very big base with lots of loot!".

I do hope other people will recognize these problems and also feel like the large furnace placement should be slightly easier. Or maybe give us a 5 minute window of picking the thing up again so we can place it again if we have just placed it wrong. Sometimes when it's placed slightly on a slope you can build foundations around it but then suddenly a wall doesn't fit anymore. It's a lot of trial and error for something that should be easier.

Thanks for reading

[Lt. Smith]

Agree to the option of beeing able to pick it up again. The rest is fine for me as it is now.

[Tenderizer]

Originally posted by Lt. Smith:

Agree to the option of beeing able to pick it up again. The rest is fine for me as it is now.

Agree'd, although perhaps an alternative. Furnaces will not tilt if placed on uneven terrain. Instead they will bury themselves partially into the ground. Therefore they wouldn't obstruct walls on adjacent foundations.

[Lt. Smith]

Good idea, Tenderizer!

[Chad]

Originally posted by Tenderizer:

Originally posted by Lt. Smith:

Agree to the option of beeing able to pick it up again. The rest is fine for me as it is now.

Agree'd, although perhaps an alternative. Furnaces will not tilt if placed on uneven terrain. Instead they will bury themselves partially into the ground. Therefore they would obstruct walls on adjacent foundations.

this would basicly solve alot yes

maybe slightly lower hitbox on the top though

[Rudolphus]

Nothing needs to be fixed with the large furnace. When the large furnace came in Rust it was intended you couldn't place it at foundations.

You can't have only advantages with the large furnace. One of the disadvantages is you can't place it inside your base. But as allways, players are creative, some of them build there base around it.

The amount of space you'll need on top of the large furnace, is another disadvantage which was intended form the first time when the large furnace was in play. Because it represent the smoke coming from the large furnace. It was the intention, players could see the smoke from a distance when you are using your large furnace. But again players want to hide this effect by building high.

There's no problem with the large furnace. Only you don't know the hole story about advantages and disadvantages of the large furnace. Learn to live with it, you can't have only advantages. And it's funny to read the small furnaces are useless :p

Ironic, maybe the devs could make the smoke higher, so it's nearly impossible to build on top of the large furance. And the smoke is visible again to everyone. ;)

[Tenderizer]

Originally posted by Rudolphus:

Nothing needs to be fixed with the large furnace

You sound like an fanboy who doesn't think the game needs changing. But honestly, the furnace being hard to place right is a seriously annoying feature. It doesn't really add much to the game.

[Rudolphus]

Originally posted by Tenderizer:

You sound like an fanboy who doesn't think the game needs changing. But honestly, the furnace being hard to place right is a seriously annoying feature. It doesn't really add much to the game.

LOL there's no sound when you read. The only thing you think you hear is your own mind trying to understand the context. What is this author telling me? So if you read this as if a fanboy wrote it, it's your problem of interpretation. It's not my problem your perception is out of balance :p :D

As everything in Rust the large furnace has got some advantages and some disadvantages. They were intended and aren't a problem within the game.

[Tenderizer]

Originally posted by Rudolphus:

Originally posted by Tenderizer:

You sound like an fanboy who doesn't think the game needs changing. But honestly, the furnace being hard to place right is a seriously annoying feature. It doesn't really add much to the game.

LOL there's no sound when you read. The only thing you think you hear is your own mind trying to understand the context. What is this author telling me? So if you read this as if a fanboy wrote it, it's your problem of interpretation. It's not my problem your perception is out of balance :p :D

As everything in Rust the large furnace has got some advantages and some disadvantages. They were intended and aren't a problem within the game.

I said you sounded like a fanboy, not that you were one. Anyway the point is, it couldn't possibly be intended that the large furnace needs to be placed perfectly in order to fit it in your base the way you want it and on your first attempt. This situation could benefit from being fixed, like by allowing players to pick up and replace furnaces or making furnaces automatically place levelly

[Rudolphus]

Oke I agree with the leveling part at some point. If you build one on a flank of a hill or mountain it shouldn't be leveled as it would stand in a nearly horizontal surface.

But when you place a large furnace now, you'll see an image of your unbuild furnace. Use this to decide when your furnace can be build or not.

Picking it up again would be exploited and maybe hacked. So you can pick it up after some time of using it. If this would be possible, I want to pick up my base after building it, so I can hide it in a stash :D

But you can allways make some C4 to blow your large furnace to little pieces.
Or you can ask an admin to remove it with his hammer. As some player do when they build their base wrong.

[Tenderizer]

Originally posted by Rudolphus:

Oke I agree with the leveling part at some point. If you build one on a flank of a hill or mountain it shouldn't be leveled as it would stand in a nearly horizontal surface.

But when you place a large furnace now, you'll see an image of your unbuild furnace. Use this to decide when your furnace can be build or not.

Picking it up again would be exploited and maybe hacked. So you can pick it up after some time of using it. If this would be possible, I want to pick up my base after building it, so I can hide it in a stash :D

But you can allways make some C4 to blow your large furnace to little pieces.
Or you can ask an admin to remove it with his hammer. As some player do when they build their base wrong.

- I meant levelling on semi-flat ground, you can't place large furnaces on incredibly steep ground anyway
- The difference when placing it in the middle of a hexagon is pretty minor, not something you can tell with the ghost
- There is no real conceivable way to exploit with picking up and placing a large furnace. Obviously this would only be able to be done within a tool cupboards radius and only for about 5 minutes after placing. Also there is a big leap between picking up large furnaces and an entire base
- C4 costs a lot of resources and you lose the furnace, admins are not active on every rust server all the time

[Chad]

Originally posted by Rudolphus:

Oke I agree with the leveling part at some point. If you build one on a flank of a hill or mountain it shouldn't be leveled as it would stand in a nearly horizontal surface.

But when you place a large furnace now, you'll see an image of your unbuild furnace. Use this to decide when your furnace can be build or not.

Picking it up again would be exploited and maybe hacked. So you can pick it up after some time of using it. If this would be possible, I want to pick up my base after building it, so I can hide it in a stash :D

But you can allways make some C4 to blow your large furnace to little pieces.
Or you can ask an admin to remove it with his hammer. As some player do when they build their base wrong.

You can only see the furnace turning blue before you can place it from the angle you are looking at. You can't keep it there and walk around it to see if it fits exactly at every place. It happens alot when you place it and it seems fine and then you add your base and walls around it and suddenly 1 wall doesnt fit because it's too close. There is currently no way of knowing this before placing so it happens alot that you place it and then your walls dont fit around it

[Lt. Smith]

Different positions, hard to get together. ;)
First I would say a good solution for building it inside your base is to make a hexagonal circle surrounded by foundations, then try if it fits in and if not, try another location. I know it´s annoying sometimes. I think if you place it down it should automatically switch into a horizontal position. It´s not really realistic to have a furnace standing like this, the melted ore would just flow out.
I agree to the part where the smoke should be visible. It should not be possible to build a roof on top of a furnace. The smoke inside the house would kill everybody. And it should be visible from a large distance. Would be a nice indicator for others. And again more realistic.

[Chad]

Originally posted by Lt. Smith:

Different positions, hard to get together. ;)
First I would say a good solution for building it inside your base is to make a hexagonal circle surrounded by foundations, then try if it fits in and if not, try another location. I know it´s annoying sometimes. I think if you place it down it should automatically switch into a horizontal position. It´s not really realistic to have a furnace standing like this, the melted ore would just flow out.
I agree to the part where the smoke should be visible. It should not be possible to build a roof on top of a furnace. The smoke inside the house would kill everybody. And it should be visible from a large distance. Would be a nice indicator for others. And again more realistic.

but then you shouldn't have any kind of fire or furnace inside your house

the hitbox definately doesnt need to be bigger, if anything it needs to be slightly lower

right now the automaticly leveling of the large furnace sounds like the best solution

[Rudolphus]

Originally posted by Ramm aka Professor Goldsteinberg:

You can only see the furnace turning blue before you can place it from the angle you are looking at. You can't keep it there and walk around it to see if it fits exactly at every place. It happens alot when you place it and it seems fine and then you add your base and walls around it and suddenly 1 wall doesnt fit because it's too close. There is currently no way of knowing this before placing so it happens alot that you place it and then your walls dont fit around it

I have build many large furnaces into my bases. But I never build my large furnace first, after which I've build my base around it. I allways build my base in twig, hoping the space in between is large enough to build the large furnace. This way I can adjust my base where ever I have to. Twig isn't as hard to break down;
And after some time you know exactly where to put your foundations in order to build your large furnace. This learning proces is the same with other items you can't build indoors.

No offence, it seems to me, you are having some personal problems with building the large furnace. And many players reflect their own short commings to the game. The game hasn't got to change because you can't find a better way of building it properly.

[Lt. Smith]

of course there are many ways to build a large furnace inside your base, I have done that hundred times, every time the look was different. The thing is: if you put it down and it´s not standing straight up, maybe a little angle to the left or right, you may lay down the foundations, but on the second floor you recognize, that a wall is colliding with it and you can not close it.
the only ways to prevent that is building a larger area, search for a very flat ground before placing it or try out and maybe tear everything down if build wrong.
A furnace, that could level itself, would be great. The mine does it, the old pumpjack did for example, why not the large furnace?