PVE mods?

[NorfolkDave]

Hi i am setting up a server just for me and maybe a couple of mates to play on, I was looking for PVE mods but the only ones I could find were on dodgy websites (no word of a lie they were selling mods for £30+ lol) Is there any real mods to add more PVE content into the game?

[Mutly]

You need to realise why these mods are paid for

If facepunch release a patch it can and does break the mod so the mod needs to constantly be patched and in a timely manner
Nobody wants their server down because a mod doesn't work

It also depends on their complexity these mods aren't something that is slapped together in 2 minutes some people have spent quite a bit of time invested in their work
You cant expect regular updates and the work for free forever

So these mods are worth their money and not all these sites are as dodgy as you think

[Rox]

Originally posted by TheDave:

Hi i am setting up a server just for me and maybe a couple of mates to play on, I was looking for PVE mods but the only ones I could find were on dodgy websites...

You're looking in the wrong places and most replies you'll get here will be trolls... Yell me on Steam, I ran pve servers for years.

[NorfolkDave]

Originally posted by Rox:

Originally posted by TheDave:

Hi i am setting up a server just for me and maybe a couple of mates to play on, I was looking for PVE mods but the only ones I could find were on dodgy websites...

You're looking in the wrong places and most replies you'll get here will be trolls... Yell me on Steam, I ran pve servers for years.

I read Kandy's reply and was thinking "ok...I will uninstall this game, no way am i paying £30 for a mod" then saw yours about trolls...ok yeah I see what you mean. Ill shoot you a message though not often about.

[tubgoatstugboats]

tons are out there. most are pay to use. Just jump on any number of pve servers, they exist, and can be a welcome break from the grind

[Mutly]

Originally posted by TheDave:

Originally posted by Rox:

You're looking in the wrong places and most replies you'll get here will be trolls... Yell me on Steam, I ran pve servers for years.

I read Kandy's reply and was thinking "ok...I will uninstall this game, no way am i paying £30 for a mod" then saw yours about trolls.

You still don't understand do you?
You think i am trolling?
ok
Here is a mod that is free and one of the best ones out there for this specific task
https://codefling.com/tools/rust-server-tool

And
This same person has a paid version of the same thing but fully automatic with a lot more options/features
https://codefling.com/tools/myrustserver

You are paying for their work
these programmers are not cowboys ready to rip you off they take pride in their work and should be paid fairly for a days work even if that means constant updates to maintain their mod

Here is another mod that is paid for and this person has many free ones
https://codefling.com/plugins/skinner
you will find his free ones here
https://umod.org/plugins?page=1&sort=downloads&sortdir=desc

Notice all the downloads for his free ones so a little compensation for some paid ones that are great pieces of work is bugger all

The same could be said for paying for custom maps

[NorfolkDave]

Originally posted by Kandy:

Originally posted by TheDave:

I read Kandy's reply and was thinking "ok...I will uninstall this game, no way am i paying £30 for a mod" then saw yours about trolls.

You still don't understand do you?
You think i am trolling?
ok
Here is a mod that is free and one of the best ones out there for this specific task
https://codefling.com/tools/rust-server-tool

And
This same person has a paid version of the same thing but fully automatic with a lot more options/features
https://codefling.com/tools/myrustserver

You are paying for their work
these programmers are not cowboys ready to rip you off they take pride in their work and should be paid fairly for a days work even if that means constant updates to maintain their mod

Here is another mod that is paid for and this person has many free ones
https://codefling.com/plugins/skinner
you will find his free ones here
https://umod.org/plugins?page=1&sort=downloads&sortdir=desc

Notice all the downloads for his free ones so a little compensation for some paid ones that are great pieces of work is bugger all

The same could be said for paying for custom maps

None of those seem to be for PVE content. Though I think your more trying to make a point.
Mods should never be behind a pay wall, I say that as someone that put 3 years of coding into a free android app because I got annoyed with the same type of app always being behind paywalls. I say that as someone that spent months learning c# and then writing guides, helping out on an open source game engine and coding features for a friends server. I say that as someone who has modded other games and would never put mods behind a paywall.
Donations are the way to go with mods, I have donated a lot of money to mod devs over the years, less so as my budget got less and less, but still significant amounts.
The argument of "You are paying for their work" is not a sound one when it comes to mods, and loses all connection with reality when one mod can cost more than the game! I really thought those were scam sites and i have no idea how someone can sit there and justify it.
I wish I had the free time to learn how to mod this game myself, I would not be releasing crippled free demo versions of paid mods thats for sure.

Rust is looking like a cautionary tale of what happens when people get greedy and others enable it. I cant believe some of these mods are so insanely priced.

[Soviet]

This is also coming from somebody who has made alot of content for various games, It shouldn't be paywalled.

[NorfolkDave]

Originally posted by Soviet:

This is also coming from somebody who has made alot of content for various games, It shouldn't be paywalled.

100% agree.
The other downside to paywalled mods is they are always closed source code and the devs have a vested interest in not helping people learn how to do similar things. It becomes a bit of a toxic situation. This was something i noticed with the Zircon files, the game was open source but server admins were not sharing how to create things, how to code for it, So I learned and did step by step guides lol (I even got hate mail telling me to stop, not kidding).

Think i will put Rust on my "to learn to code when I have the time pile"

[Spill]

I think Kandy has some really valid points in the first post.
Some of the mods seems to be part time job or fulltime job for some. And the mods are used by servers with alot of players, who also makes money from players VIP and the more extreme pay2wins like jump servers (buy raid kits for 50€).

For a group of friends, sure use free stuff.
But with hundreds of people dedicating their time(way more valuable than money) on your server, you better keep it online and working.


paid mods are plain text c# files

[NorfolkDave]

Originally posted by Spill:

I think Kandy has some really valid points in the first post.
Some of the mods seems to be part time job or fulltime job for some. And the mods are used by servers with alot of players, who also makes money from players VIP and the more extreme pay2wins like jump servers (buy raid kits for 50€).

For a group of friends, sure use free stuff.
But with hundreds of people dedicating their time(way more valuable than money) on your server, you better keep it online and working.


paid mods are plain text c# files

I get charging a license if the server using it is making money from it, yeah that makes sense. But they have a charge even if you are just a 4 man mess about server. its honestly putting me off setting up a server for me and the guys on this game.

[Potato]

Not only does mod break, but custom maps that have god knows how many assets tends to break after monthly update.

[Half Slav]

Mod were mostly a passion project from people who love the game,paid mods in a new thing and on top they slap a price tag of 40 to 60 $ taht is a price of an actual new game.Look what they do with skyrim and FO4 people charge for everything nowdays.Then you have people who made fallout london a whole modded fallout game for free because they liked the game.By that logic since is a full size game DLC should be 60$ but its free on GOG. It's literly greed what fuels those people, your ♥♥♥♥♥♥ DLC map is not worth 40$

[Spill]

Cant really compare it to paid single player games mods. Aka the fallout/skyrim disaster.

Different personal vs commercial license is something that could be explored.
Also, its not 30,50$ for each player @Armored Heretic

[NorfolkDave]

Originally posted by Spill:

Cant really compare it to paid single player games mods. Aka the fallout/skyrim disaster.

Different personal vs commercial license is something that could be explored.
Also, its not 30,50$ for each player @Armored Heretic

fallout skyrim disaster?
Are you talking about the paid mods for those that were thankfully an utter flop? I mean you can fully compare them to my situation. I am not planning to run a server for profit, I am planing to run a server for me and mate or two (max 4 likely 2).
If servers are making a profit then yeah i get charging them for access to the mods (hell even unity and unreal have terms that its only free if your not making a lot of money.
But to charge new game prices for mods that is as the other chap said, greed.

[Half Slav]

It they don't have a company they can't charge for a licence.When it comes to servers making profit they should, servers are being charged every month for upkeep. lmao.So if they sell VIP to keep the server up for free basicly thats good, if you like the server you will support it, it's been like that since the dawn of time..Specially on modded pve servers..there is literly no excuse to charge money for workshop items lol.Those people just want money since they seen it's money to be made plain and simple.