The actual reason behind blacklisting the A4Tech mice (также на русском)

[76561198364290235]

1. A4Tech mice can execute the macros in hardware, all by themselves, without using any software on the PC. You program it and the anticheat simply can't tell if it's been programmed to counter the recoil. Most other mice DON'T execute mouse movements in hardware, for this specific reason. You can write an anti-recoil script for a Logitech mouse as well, but it can be detected by anti-cheat, at least in theory, because it executes in the software or the driver. That's a huge difference.

2. RUST antirecoil macros for A4Tech mice (specifically for them) are freely available online, even being sold for money by some people. It's an epidemic and it's being actively abused, regardless of you noticing it.

3. RUST is the game which loses the most from these macros. You can gain a massive advantage with macros, gameplay-wise. However, norecoil can give you a fair amount of advantage in any military-like game with a semi-random recoil. You cannot make recoil completely random.

When they first started to advertise their Bloody brand many years ago, I bought their mouse. It was crap compared to a proper device, but I was surprised how easy it is to counter the recoil and be completely undetected. I gave it a year before the major anticheats would start blacklisting it, but for some weird reason it didn't happen. Finally it happened now, in 2019, for a specific game, and it's completely justified, enjoy.

Yes, it's sad that many innocent people were blocked from using their devices. Yes, it's not the only problem RUST currently has. But if nobody will do anything about this, the norecoil epidemic will continue and other manufacturers will have the same feature. I hope other games and the Battleye will follow. Devices which are specifically designed and optimized for cheating don't have any place in online gaming.

A4Tech mice were blocked by the vendor code because it's hard to tell the specific model and it's capabilities. That's also sad but inevitable. I hope EAC will do something about this.

I don't know about the latest Razer mice. If they reallly started to allow hardware execution of any macros with the cursor movements, they also deserve to be blacklisted IMO. This is too easy to abuse, and implementing programmatic mouse movements in hardware has nothing to do with convenience or fair play.

============ and the same in Russian, since most A4Tech users are in exUSSR countries:

1. Мыши A4Tech выполняют макросы на самой мыши, и поэтому макросы на антиотдачу не могут быть обнаружены античитом. В отличие от большинства мышей, которые именно по этой причине исполняют макросы на движение курсора в сопутствующем софте или драйвере, что может быть хотя бы теоретически просканировано на честность игры. Это гигантская разница.

2. Макросы на RUST свободно доступны онлайн, некоторые особо оборотистые даже впаривают их дуракам за деньги. Это эпидемия, и это активно абузится, без разницы видите это лично вы или нет.

3. RUST это игра, которая портится больше всех остальных от макросников. Благодаря ним вы получаете огромное преимущество. Контроль калаша это недели/месяцы упорного ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ства, макрос позволит это получить за просто так, и даже лучше. Что позволит вам разматывать в одиночку целые кланы, т.к. RUST это очень скилозависимая игра.

Когда Bloody впервые появились на нашем рынке много лет назад, я купил себе такую мышь. Мышь была ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ом, но позволяла поразительно легко настроить антиотдачу, и напрямую рекламировалась для обхода античита в играх, даже на коробке было написано что за это бан невозможен. Я думал что настолько наглый девайс заблочат в больших античитах максимум через год, но по какой-то причине этого не произошло. Вот это произошло хотя бы сейчас, хотя бы для одной игры, в 2019 году, годы спустя. Наслаждайтесь.

Да, сожалею что многим невинным игрокам заблокировали вход в игру с такой мышью. Да, макросы это далеко не единственная проблема игры. Но если с этим ничего не делать, макросники так и продолжат руинить игры, и RUST особенно. Больше того,

Я ничего не знаю насчёт последних моделей Razer. Если они действительно умеют исполнять макросы с движением мыши аппаратно, они также заслуживают бана, на мой взгляд. Таким устройствам не место в онлайн-играх, и это не имеет ничего общего с удобством, единственное для чего такую фичу делают аппаратной - читерство.

И да, мыши A4Tech заблочили все и сразу, тупо по вендор-коду. Это обидно, но неизбежно, потому что трудно различить конкретную модель и что она умеет или не умеет, для этого надо их тестить. Надеюсь, что EAC все же что-нибудь сделает с этим, хотя вероятность небольшая.

[koso16]

Origineel geplaatst door BombsOnyaMoms:

Origineel geplaatst door koso16:

nope dude its more like calling someone a murderer because he owns a gun same as here people getting punished for a specific mouse.

Actually, the correct analogy would be a fully automatic gun. Yes, the majority of owners WOULD be innocent ppl... but most places still make them illegal because of the capability of them. They make it too easy for bad ppl to do bad things. Thats a much more accurate analogy. And these other ppls suggestion is the equivalent of saying, "well, ban hammers too, because i could kill ppl with those". Its very silly.

not really as rhese auto guns are ilegal as you said the mouse i completely legal. anyway if you look on it from the point thay make it easy for ppl do bad thinks that youtube need to be baned in the first place since you have there tons of cheat manuals script links and even stand alone chanels just for cheating videos and yt of cours doesn't see a problem

[koso16]

Origineel geplaatst door All Knowing Powerful Being:

Origineel geplaatst door koso16:

nope dude its more like calling someone a murderer because he owns a gun same as here people getting punished for a specific mouse.

Stats say otherwise
50,000 players average
30,000 players banned per month / Game Banned for cheating
This is 60 % , this is just the one's who are caught
This figure is probably around 80%
So the % of Bloody Mouse owners using it to cheat is more like 99.9999999999 %
Gun owners using said gun to kill is 0.00000001 %
But nice try , maybe there racist against bloody mice ( mice racism ? )

i dont know bur what i know is that i own one of these mouses and never used these scripts in any competitive games i use core 4 rather than core 3 to have easy access to dpi change for snipping rather than recoil dumper from the core 3

[BombsOnyaMoms]

Origineel geplaatst door koso16:

Origineel geplaatst door BombsOnyaMoms:

Actually, the correct analogy would be a fully automatic gun. Yes, the majority of owners WOULD be innocent ppl... but most places still make them illegal because of the capability of them. They make it too easy for bad ppl to do bad things. Thats a much more accurate analogy. And these other ppls suggestion is the equivalent of saying, "well, ban hammers too, because i could kill ppl with those". Its very silly.

not really as rhese auto guns are ilegal as you said the mouse i completely legal. anyway if you look on it from the point thay make it easy for ppl do bad thinks that youtube need to be baned in the first place since you have there tons of cheat manuals script links and even stand alone chanels just for cheating videos and yt of cours doesn't see a problem

But its an analogy... the legality is represented by the rules of EAC... just like how we aren't really talking about guns... but mice...

[Kapitan79]

Origineel geplaatst door Subterfuge:

Origineel geplaatst door Kapitan79:

The analogy with the monitor is quite good. So let's ban all monitors, because on each of them you can draw a cross in the center of the screen. (Facepunch Logic)

No that's your logic 🤣😂🤣

https://cs8.pikabu.ru/post_img/2016/10/07/5/og_og_1475824749285460529.jpg
Для тех кто покупает новые мышки чтобы играть в это болото
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[Denis]

да уже есть обход как вторые сутки !!! что на сервер свой можно закинуть что на клиент

[NordLandeR]

So this is the issue that is ruining the game for so many players, will there be a possible fix for the no recoil cheating or are the whole rust community forced to use it to be able to compete?

Will this be the main reason for the death of rust?

Will there ever be a anti cheat for the no recoil users?

[Plainven]

any updates for x7 ?

[Donkeydonkey]

Origineel geplaatst door All Knowing Powerful Being:

Origineel geplaatst door koso16:

nope dude its more like calling someone a murderer because he owns a gun same as here people getting punished for a specific mouse.

Stats say otherwise
50,000 players average
30,000 players banned per month / Game Banned for cheating
This is 60 % , this is just the one's who are caught
This figure is probably around 80%
So the % of Bloody Mouse owners using it to cheat is more like 99.9999999999 %
Gun owners using said gun to kill is 0.00000001 %
But nice try , maybe there racist against bloody mice ( mice racism ? )

your logic is stupid, bloody was banned cause its not detectable when u have some macro assist

30,000 players banned per month / Game Banned for cheating ........ 0 bloody mouses macros u know why? they cant detect it, thats why they ban it and now we talking about

[\86\ sorin]

Hi ! I'm using Oscar Gaming Mouse (X-748K) from a4tech.Where can I get a new driver that let's the anticheat check my mouse and I can play play the game. Is there a new driver update from a4tech ? I've sent them an email 3 or 4 days ago asking for a solution but I didn't got any reply...

[koso16]

Origineel geplaatst door sorin:

Hi ! I'm using Oscar Gaming Mouse (X-748K) from a4tech.Where can I get a new driver that let's the anticheat check my mouse and I can play play the game. Is there a new driver update from a4tech ? I've sent them an email 3 or 4 days ago asking for a solution but I didn't got any reply...

go to bloody page or a4tech and download the latest app for your mouse.

[koso16]

Origineel geplaatst door sorin:

Hi ! I'm using Oscar Gaming Mouse (X-748K) from a4tech.Where can I get a new driver that let's the anticheat check my mouse and I can play play the game. Is there a new driver update from a4tech ? I've sent them an email 3 or 4 days ago asking for a solution but I didn't got any reply...

well i checked a4tech and for your mouse there isnt any new driver/software to download. The latest one was updated half yearago so either you wait or write a4tech support if they have/plan to release the app for your mouse or you will need to purchase a new one

[- Loss]

logitech g502 hero works very well, thanks to the guys who helped me before

[Donkeydonkey]

Origineel geplaatst door QuietDragon╲⎝⧹:

logitech g502 hero works very well, thanks to the guys who helped me before

still compare for my country by google

Logitech Gaming Mouse G502 (Hero) - 11-tlačítková Myš - Kabelová - USB
CZK 1,799.00.CZK 1,799.00

A4Tech X7 Gaming Mouse XL-750BK - Myš - Kabelová - USB
CZK 529.00.CZK 529.00

and 11 buttons is so many / lower accuracy

[\86\ sorin]

@Saitama same here the price is double: g502 hero 289.99 ron , a4tech oscar gaming mouse
x-748k 112.99 ron.Any razer is from 380 ron and higher. I can't afford this prices.

[lama]

You guys realize that "gaming" mice are pretty much always overpriced, right? There are good mice out there that don't say "gaming" on the box and they are cheaper too. They all work 99.99% the same so I don't understand.