I don't really play this game but I've proof of an admin doing some shady crap

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

He admits to it on youtube

https://youtu.be/cLi_VcDIgY0?t=791

Should start at the appropriate time. I'm not sure how bans work in Rust, if the servers are private or whatever but considering he's mentioning game bans...

The appropriate spot is 13:11

I think someone may need to talk to him about going after non-cheaters.

And just in case, this isn't defending cheaters. By all means, go hard on them; they earned whatever comes at them.

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originalmente postado por Duck:

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

That's a big, fat non-answer and I refuse to accept that type of logic. It's lazy.

its simple really, dont play with cheaters, and if someone has multiple game bans maybe you should ask why and when an admin tells you that you are playing with a cheater, definitely stop playing with them lmao

How would I know if they had multiple game bans? Outside of extreme examples, how would I know they're cheating?

Your point of view is stupid.

[Duck]

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

Originalmente postado por Duck:

its simple really, dont play with cheaters, and if someone has multiple game bans maybe you should ask why and when an admin tells you that you are playing with a cheater, definitely stop playing with them lmao

How would I know if they had multiple game bans? Outside of extreme examples, how would I know they're cheating?

Your point of view is stupid.

if you have played with them for awhile, cheaters tend to play on multiple accounts since they get banned
or their steam profile may have vac bans or bans in other games


but at the end of the day, if you play rust for any length of time you will be able to tell if someone you play with is cheating
maybe not straight away but it wont take very many gaming sessions to figure out that something is dodgy about them

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originalmente postado por Duck:

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

How would I know if they had multiple game bans? Outside of extreme examples, how would I know they're cheating?

Your point of view is stupid.

if you have played with them for awhile, cheaters tend to play on multiple accounts since they get banned
or their steam profile may have vac bans or bans in other games


but at the end of the day, if you play rust for any length of time you will be able to tell if someone you play with is cheating
maybe not straight away but it wont take very many gaming sessions to figure out that something is dodgy about them

So to play a game, I need to go lurk other people's profiles?

Do you not see how absolutely broken and absurd your logic is outside of really blatant cases?

A great example of when your logic applies is if someone is flying around on foot through the air. That's an obvious hack.

A great example of my logic is when someone is using an esp to detect stashes. If I'm with someone who's doing that how the flying hell am I supposed to know? They could just be lucky or have a general idea of where players stash their stuff because humans are creatures of habit.

[Duck]

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

So to play a game, I need to go lurk other people's profiles?

Do you not see how absolutely broken and absurd your logic is outside of really blatant cases?

A great example of when your logic applies is if someone is flying around on foot through the air. That's an obvious hack.

A great example of my logic is when someone is using an esp to detect stashes. If I'm with someone who's doing that how the flying hell am I supposed to know? They could just be lucky or have a general idea of where players stash their stuff because humans are creatures of habit.

that isnt what I said and you know it

play with whoever you want, but it comes to a point where you have to be purposely avoiding evidence that your friend is a cheater


and even if that wasnt the case, what are admins supposed to do when MOST cheaters play on multiple accounts and as soon as they ban one they simply rejoin on another and continue playing with their group
should they simply believe everyone who says that they didnt know that their friend was a hacker?

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originalmente postado por Duck:

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

So to play a game, I need to go lurk other people's profiles?

Do you not see how absolutely broken and absurd your logic is outside of really blatant cases?

A great example of when your logic applies is if someone is flying around on foot through the air. That's an obvious hack.

A great example of my logic is when someone is using an esp to detect stashes. If I'm with someone who's doing that how the flying hell am I supposed to know? They could just be lucky or have a general idea of where players stash their stuff because humans are creatures of habit.

that isnt what I said and you know it

play with whoever you want, but it comes to a point where you have to be purposely avoiding evidence that your friend is a cheater


and even if that wasnt the case, what are admins supposed to do when MOST cheaters play on multiple accounts and as soon as they ban one they simply rejoin on another and continue playing with their group
should they simply believe everyone who says that they didnt know that their friend was a hacker?

If you don't like the conclusion, then use your words more carefully and stop putting forward dumb ideas, lol. As a player, it's not my job to vet some random person I happen to group with in case they're a cheater. The only time your premise applies is when the cheating is overt. Subtle cases make your logic very, very flawed.

That's the life of a decent admin; you're perpetually playing whack-a-mole with hackers. Admins probably shouldn't be banning people because both a hacker and they are Chinese. That's just lazy and potentially racist. Hence why I was posting this thread after I learned he admins for other servers that he doesn't own. If he wants to do that crap with his own servers, well, that's a douchebag thing to do but that's his right since it's his server.

[Duck]

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

If you don't like the conclusion, then use your words more carefully and stop putting forward dumb ideas, lol. As a player, it's not my job to vet some random person I happen to group with in case they're a cheater. The only time your premise applies is when the cheating is overt. Subtle cases make your logic very, very flawed.

That's the life of a decent admin; you're perpetually playing whack-a-mole with hackers. Admins probably shouldn't be banning people because both a hacker and they are Chinese. That's just lazy and potentially racist. Hence why I was posting this thread after I learned he admins for other servers that he doesn't own. If he wants to do that crap with his own servers, well, that's a douchebag thing to do but that's his right since it's his server.

seethe and cope

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originalmente postado por Duck:

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

If you don't like the conclusion, then use your words more carefully and stop putting forward dumb ideas, lol. As a player, it's not my job to vet some random person I happen to group with in case they're a cheater. The only time your premise applies is when the cheating is overt. Subtle cases make your logic very, very flawed.

That's the life of a decent admin; you're perpetually playing whack-a-mole with hackers. Admins probably shouldn't be banning people because both a hacker and they are Chinese. That's just lazy and potentially racist. Hence why I was posting this thread after I learned he admins for other servers that he doesn't own. If he wants to do that crap with his own servers, well, that's a douchebag thing to do but that's his right since it's his server.

seethe and cope

And there it is; at the end of the day, your position is indefensible because it's extreme and lacks any sort of foresight. You can't address my points so instead you decide to be petulant. Be better.

[Duck]

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

And there it is; at the end of the day, your position is indefensible because it's extreme and lacks any sort of foresight. You can't address my points so instead you decide to be petulant. Be better.

lmao no, I have explained my position to you multiple times and you just refuse to actually consider that maybe your viewpoint isnt the only reasonable one

so I repeat: Cope and seethe

[Bad Distraction Carnifex]

Originalmente postado por Duck:

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

And there it is; at the end of the day, your position is indefensible because it's extreme and lacks any sort of foresight. You can't address my points so instead you decide to be petulant. Be better.

lmao no, I have explained my position to you multiple times and you just refuse to actually consider that maybe your viewpoint isnt the only reasonable one

so I repeat: Cope and seethe

Except I did consider your point of view, to the point where I've given examples of when you'd be right along with examples of when you'd be wrong to illustrate how your point of view lacks foresight.

Seems to me like you just don't like the idea of someone poking holes in a half formed opinion and are now trying to bait me into some silly emotional tirade. Be better.

[Aoba_Watase]

I don't see a problem with him f7 reporting those guy. He said he didn't know if any of the others were cheating and he didn't say he banned them all. All f7 reporting will do is have your account check for hacks etc. If nothing shows up then your all good. A lot of these servers have certain rules and he is just following the rules when he bans them. He don't make up the rules. When he bans them there just getting banned from that server maybe that server has the rule if you cheat or play with a cheater you get banned from the server. He has nothing to do with game bans. That's all done through facepunch. Some of these servers have strict rules because they get so many cheaters. It sounds unfair but you got to remember some of these server are run like a business they spend a lot of time and money on them and they could lose it all just by one cheater messing it all up for everybody else. One cheater could make everybody quit the serve unless they take strict action to protect all the other players.
Also in some of his videos he has left some of those players stay on the server since he didn't know if they knew they were playing with a cheater. What happens a lot of the time is cheaters will keep buying account when they get banned and there friends keep bagging them in after they get banned. So your saying those people should not get banned from the server. There not getting a game ban and they can play on other server just not that one because they keep bagging there cheater friend in. In some of his videos, some players done that several time a day, A day not a week or month, a day. Could you see why some of these server have strict rules. Just remember a game ban is done by facepunch when the cheater got caught and can't play rust anymore. A server ban is just a ban from that server because you broke the rules of the server and you can still play on other server. When you join the server your agreeing to there rules. if you don't like the rules of that server just play on another one.

[Yakub's Champion]

The account is under 3 years old = bad sign
He has rust and 3 other free games = bad sign
He can out spray people with 3k hours at 100 hours = bad sign
The account has bans on it = bad sign
Has a weeb picture/instagram model for avatar = bad sign
If you can't check any of these then you have a solid defence if the admin lands on you.

[MonkehMaster]

not sure what your crying about, he bans cheater and people who play with cheaters.... the cheaters get server banned and game banned if EAC detects cheats or has banned said cheater before, the players who play with them 99% of the time either knew said person was cheating or was cheating while they played together, which is pretty freaking obvious 99% of the time, so they get server bans for w/e period of time deemed necessary, the more times your caught playing with cheaters, the worse it gets, maybe even permanent.

also, if you have other accounts with game bans, you are going to be banned from servers that dont want you playing on their servers, nobody want to play with cheaters.

also fyi, what does it matter if he is saying someone is chinese? if they say they are chinese and/or speak chinese, then they are chinese, some even use chinese names, character or use the default random number accounts instead of naming their account, btw if you havent been living under a rock your whole life, a very big majority are know to cheat, have cheated other games into ruin, spammed forums selling cheats or doing phishing scams, ect.. (2 examples are pubg and dayz).

also, many servers have strict rules on game or vac bans, if you cheat i other games, you likely will or have cheated in more or in rust, we dont want cheaters in our game.

look you aint gonna cause drama for camomo, the dude does great work and is trying to help keep rust free of cheaters and anyone who plays with them, bags them into servers, ect... ect...

besides that, you clearly said you barely play the game, yet you are here in the forums trying to judge and cause drama for an admin about banning people from servers he admins, he has every right to ban anyone he wants, all server admins in this game respect him, heck im betting the devs would most likely want him on their dev team, but he instead wants to and does this all free (twitch and youtube revenue aside), for the good of the community.

deal with the facts buddy, play the game or move on from it and our forum, if your game banned on other accounts or were banned for association, then learn your lesson and move on with your life, we dont want you people ruining this game and/or bringing cheaters into the game to help you.

btw, i reported you for trying to name and shame and/or cause drama for no reason.

[adyourservice]

Originalmente postado por Duck:

Originalmente postado por Bad Distraction Carnifex:

How would I know if they had multiple game bans? Outside of extreme examples, how would I know they're cheating?

Your point of view is stupid.

if you have played with them for awhile, cheaters tend to play on multiple accounts since they get banned
or their steam profile may have vac bans or bans in other games


but at the end of the day, if you play rust for any length of time you will be able to tell if someone you play with is cheating
maybe not straight away but it wont take very many gaming sessions to figure out that something is dodgy about them

What about if you are playing in a clan and the cheater is almost never online?
What about people that stopped cheating but have cheated in the past?

[MonkehMaster]

Originalmente postado por adyourservice:

Originalmente postado por Duck:

if you have played with them for awhile, cheaters tend to play on multiple accounts since they get banned or their steam profile may have vac bans or bans in other games

but at the end of the day, if you play rust for any length of time you will be able to tell if someone you play with is cheating maybe not straight away but it wont take very many gaming sessions to figure out that something is dodgy about them

What about if you are playing in a clan and the cheater is almost never online?

What about people that stopped cheating but have cheated in the past?

check every player in that clan, if they have cheaters, you dont join or play with them.

once a cheater, always a cheater, there is no reason to believe they wont go back to cheating (assuming they even stopped), you simply dont play with said person.

games are strict about these things, as are servers in this game in general, most wont allow you to play on their server, some wont allow you to play until after a certain amount of time "since last ban".

said cheaters need to leave the game and stop coming back, you cheat, you get banned, you go play another game...

if you play with knowingly (which is almost always the case), then you get punished by being server banned, eventually you wont have any servers to play on.

(when it comes to rust) i dont add anyone to my friends list, i dont play on a team with anyone because of this kind of stuff, im not risking my account or getting server bans just to make "digital friends", or going through the hassle of "researching" people to play with to see if they have alt accounts with bans.

heck, i also dont add people in general to my friends list and keep my account as friends only, knowing all these phishing scams that run rampant on steam, not only can they phish you, but your "friends" as well, or the spam from random invites, or spam on anything they can contact you on (ie.. screenshots, artwork, your profile, groups, ect..).

only actual people on my friends list are family and actual IRL friends.

honestly, i dont understand why steam allows people to have 2 or more accounts, there is literally no reason beyond cheating, smurfing, trolling, ect..., steam should allow only 1 account.

[Purple Sauce]

Don't hang out with obvious cheaters and definitely check accounts for VAC bans and how new their steam account is before you just accept them on your friends list and just play with them.