Rust Streamers and Bloody mouse.

[Dyex]

Now that a lot of mice are banned that are know for aim script macros.

Gonna be intresting seeing how some content creators take a "break" from Rust and retire.

This is intresting times in Rust.

[Mountain Months]

Originally posted by Sinth:

I'm using an old X7 by A4Tech (like 6 years), never used any macro (whatever that is) and i still get kicked by EAC. Kinda ♥♥♥♥♥♥ solution, to ban equipment that CAN be macroed. But what about those that DONT macro ♥♥♥♥ (cheat?)?

yeah right. stop cheating lmao

[Denis]

https://youtu.be/m_YI8F7feRQ

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Showering in all the salt of these cheaters is great

[MonkehMaster]

i mean you can script on pretty much any mouse, as well as set macros on most mice and keyboards, most mice and keyboards have a memory cache on them now a days anyway, they gonna ban all mice or keyboards from the game?

heck lots of controllers come with macro keys (configurable keys), or those mini mobile gaming keyboards, modern joysticks, heck even those elgato stream decks used for stream setup have configurable keys.... if they ban just for use of configurable keys they will lose all their playerbase.

you can run scripts on pretty much anything and it doesnt have to have a built in cache.

would like to know what they are actually blacklisting, i see people without bloody mice in the forum talking about being blocked from entering servers and it shows "blacklisted device: bloody mouse".

[GaLoos]

hey. i am using a70 bloody mouse and i am playing rust since 6 month ago. why should i get eac ban in official server when i even dont use the program of bloody for mouse and macros and scripts ? i didnt even use them once. omg i was at the middle of fight and i am getting kicked after 2 minutes playing. when this problem will solve ? :((

[BombsOnyaMoms]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

i mean you can script on pretty much any mouse, as well as set macros on most mice and keyboards, most mice and keyboards have a memory cache on them now a days anyway, they gonna ban all mice or keyboards from the game?

heck lots of controllers come with macro keys (configurable keys), or those mini mobile gaming keyboards, modern joysticks, heck even those elgato stream decks used for stream setup have configurable keys.... if they ban just for use of configurable keys they will lose all their playerbase.

you can run scripts on pretty much anything and it doesnt have to have a built in cache.

would like to know what they are actually blacklisting, i see people without bloody mice in the forum talking about being blocked from entering servers and it shows "blacklisted device: bloody mouse".

The built in cache is how it avoided detection by eac.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by BombsOnyaMoms:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

i mean you can script on pretty much any mouse, as well as set macros on most mice and keyboards, most mice and keyboards have a memory cache on them now a days anyway, they gonna ban all mice or keyboards from the game?

heck lots of controllers come with macro keys (configurable keys), or those mini mobile gaming keyboards, modern joysticks, heck even those elgato stream decks used for stream setup have configurable keys.... if they ban just for use of configurable keys they will lose all their playerbase.

you can run scripts on pretty much anything and it doesnt have to have a built in cache.

would like to know what they are actually blacklisting, i see people without bloody mice in the forum talking about being blocked from entering servers and it shows "blacklisted device: bloody mouse".

The built in cache is how it avoided detection by eac.

which most mice have, as well as keyboards.

[sfp]

The guys who said "THERE IS NO MORE NO-RECOIL BLA BLA BLA" you are dumbest ppl i've ever seen, bcs they banned only A4tech and X7, but no other devices that can macroed - Logitech, Razer, etc. If they didn't make other solution for x7/a4tech, i wish players who was banned unfair will just make a refund. x7/a4tech > rust , gg

[BombsOnyaMoms]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by BombsOnyaMoms:

The built in cache is how it avoided detection by eac.

which most mice have, as well as keyboards.

And even the other brands dont allow you to use the drivers that access the cache. At least, thats how its been explained to me. Ive been too busy at work to play with it much myself, hoping to look into it further tonight. But thats how i understand it to work.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by BombsOnyaMoms:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

which most mice have, as well as keyboards.

And even the other brands dont allow you to use the drivers that access the cache. At least, thats how its been explained to me. Ive been too busy at work to play with it much myself, hoping to look into it further tonight. But thats how i understand it to work.

im using my drivers and apps for my g-skill MX780 mouse, same goes for my g-skill KM780, tested them by loading into a modded server and even tried an official server as well and both let me load into the servers

i will say there are no macros turned on, but i do use them on games that allow it, but the apps mostly get used for lighting and other settings.

[Dyex]

Originally posted by Dyex:

Originally posted by Stroggs:

And why logitech or razor are different from bloody? those can also use scripts and software which allows you such things.

Pretty sure,
Because those mice have secure cache memory so people cant edit the driver inside the mouse.

Bloody mouse is not secured so you can use a program to edit the cache memory anyway you please.

Logitech and Razor only let you store custom key mapping and button emulating macros.
They cant script emulate mouse movement from what I know.

Recoil scripts require the mouse emulation to work.

That is why Razor Synapse is illegal in game.
They program emulates mouse movements.

EAC will catch that because EAC can see the program on the computer.
But when a Recoil Script is baked into the cache memory on the mouse - they cant detect it with EAC.

Think of it like taking a international air flight.

They ban fresh fruit on a plane.
Not because of the fruit, but because of the insects that could be inside.
But there is no way to check the fruit for insects.
So you cant scream and cry you cant eat fruit.

Anyways hope you get the point...

I'll post this here too.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Dyex:

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thats not true at all, anyone with coding experience can easily load code for said scripts into any mouse cache, or reflash anything with preloaded data on it, you can find programs that will do it for you as well, heck you can flash bios chips from major companies like intel ect... that are supposedly secured from tampering.

not trying to argue, but saying that bloody mouse is the only mouse capable of being used to cheat/script is just plain false, any hardware can be tampered with to cheat or give "unfair" advantage.

you can use tons of hardware with built in cache to run scripts and other stuff, heck a decent hardware tech can make their own mice/keyboards ect.. with built in memory.

lots of hardware like mice, keyboards, elgato stream deck, controllers, mini mobile gaming keyboards, ect.. have memory cache in them for storing profiles, macros, ect..

the elgato stream decks are basically full blown macro keyboards, which people have been making for decades.

in general anything with a chip/memory thats built in can be flashed with custom bios ect... very easily, as well as all other hardware in your computer.

this next part is just going further in depth into the subject of "advantage" over others.

loads of gaming hardware come with built in extras compared to other hardware, one could say that it isnt fair someone else can afford hardware with better perks and performance and that gives them advantage over others, heck playing on a big screen allows you to see stuff more easily, or having higher refresh and more fps, better headsets that can pin point directions, overclocking, computer knowledge, you can list of 100's of things that give unfair advantage over others when it comes to their computer having more advantage over others when it comes to competitive gaming.

heck recent cheats were using radar hacks from their phones to gain advantage over others in multiplayer shooter games, will rust start blacklisting cell phones form being connected to their computers while playing a game?

thing is its a thin line trying to go after companies for their hardware/ect.. instead of actually detecting cheats/scripts ect.. that are main issues, if they simply start banning hardware then eventually they will lose all their playerbase, no one is going to go out and buy new hardware every time rust wants to blacklist something.

[Dr Gonzo]

Originally posted by exitt:

Gl playing the game with -20k online, and pve content :)

If anything the pop will go up. Clowns like you were killing the game.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Dr Gonzo:

Originally posted by exitt:

Gl playing the game with -20k online, and pve content :)

If anything the pop will go up. Clowns like you were killing the game.

other way around, blacklisting hardware will bring player population down not up, the more hardware blacklisted the less people will be playing said game that is blacklisting them, they will just move to another game.

im not defending cheating in the slightest, yes cheaters need to be removed, but blacklisting hardware isnt the way to go.

[BombsOnyaMoms]

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

Originally posted by BombsOnyaMoms:

And even the other brands dont allow you to use the drivers that access the cache. At least, thats how its been explained to me. Ive been too busy at work to play with it much myself, hoping to look into it further tonight. But thats how i understand it to work.

im using my drivers and apps for my g-skill MX780 mouse, same goes for my g-skill KM780, tested them by loading into a modded server and even tried an official server as well and both let me load into the servers

i will say there are no macros turned on, but i do use them on games that allow it, but the apps mostly get used for lighting and other settings.

But can that just macro button presses, or does it do mouse movements as well? Because it requires mouse movements to achieve no recoil. Im just trying to see why they would target one brand of mouse over the others. I always thought the bloody mouse could do more than just macro button presses, hence why it was banned. Are you saying these other mice can do the same? Again, im not trying to argue, im just curious. Im not claiming to know.