Is it just me or does heavy plate armor just suck?

[Massive Pilkers]

Heavy plate sounds like it should be an amazing set to turn you into a tank, but in use it seems to be more of a hindrance than anything useful.

You still take a large amount of damage from even scientists and you're slow as hell, meaning that if an enemy chucks a grenade you have no hope of getting away in time, and still likely instantly dying to said grenade.

I was using a full set (legs, torso, helmet) and still only lasted seconds while raiding a military tunnel because one grenade instantly KO'd me, and their guns still did crazy damage.

Heavy plate (IMO) needs a significant increase to actual defense, or to heavily reduce its debuffs it has while equipped because it's just NOT worth it in its current state.

[KILLERSMOKER [BTA]]

its only good for fighting the attack heli

[Massive Pilkers]

Originally posted by KillerSmoker:

its only good for fighting the attack heli

I guess that's one thing but like shouldn't a armorset like that be useful for more than just one rather specific scenario?

[M]

its not for running around its for raid defence.....

[M]

you have 65 hours also so you dont even know about its past history

[Massive Pilkers]

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

its not for running around its for raid defence.....

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

you have 65 hours also so you dont even know about its past history

Yeah maybe I don't know about its past but shouldn't a heavy armor set be useful for more than just that?

[Probitas]

Agree, don't know how it's justifiable to make it impossible to aim using the eyes Mk I while looking through the helmet down a barrel sight. Boggles my mind, aiming already gives up a large field of vision and slows you down, don't understand removing the ability to aim at all while in any kind of armor.

[Massive Pilkers]

Thinkin for a moment about its stated purpose against the helos, that makes its lack of use against small arms even more ridiculous.

Those patrol helos use missile salvos and large automatic guns, so if the armor is meant to counter that, why does it make for so little defense against a pistol?

Again I just think it's kinda pathetic that those debuffs are so intense and the armor just doesn't seem to make the level of protection worth all the debuffs.

Lowered vision and speed, yeah I kinda see that, but those along with no aiming and its pathetic defense against hand grenades and pistols make it seem nearly pointless to go through the effort of finding a full set to get blueprints of.

[M]

its heavy metal its slows you down because its HEAVY

[Massive Pilkers]

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

its heavy metal its slows you down because its HEAVY

I think you're missing my point.

I understand slowing down from a logical sense and gameplay sense.

However, heavy metal is also STRONG IRL, and the protection offered by the armor seems disproportionately low for how slow it makes you.

[M]

this is also a game where stuff cant be op stuff has to be balanced

[M]

and its op as ♥♥♥♥ 11 headshots to kill someone with the helm with a ak so explain show your work

[Massive Pilkers]

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

this is also a game where stuff cant be op stuff has to be balanced

Again I feel like you're missing my point.

A well-balanced set like that would make you want to use it DESPITE its downsides, not go "eugh I'm not sure it's worth it"

[Massive Pilkers]

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

and its op as ♥♥♥♥ 11 headshots to kill someone with the helm with a ak so explain show your work

I mentioned that I got killed in seconds by AI who were using pistols and chucked a single grenade.

If the armor is good in PvP as you seem to state here, then maybe I was mistaken about that but still a single AI taking down a full set in seconds seems off kilter.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by p h a t t:

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

and its op as ♥♥♥♥ 11 headshots to kill someone with the helm with a ak so explain show your work

I mentioned that I got killed in seconds by AI who were using pistols and chucked a single grenade.

If the armor is good in PvP as you seem to state here, then maybe I was mistaken about that but still a single AI taking down a full set in seconds seems off kilter.

At the same time, this is also a game that has gloves that protect your chest.

This game's armor/gameplay system is very simplistic relative to the real life counterparts. Armor is a simple damage reduction setup, as well as very simple armor regions (head, chest, legs). As for NPCS, the trade-off for them is that they aren't a threat at range and don't cause bleeding when you get shot by them. They are, however, supposed to be very deadly when in close proximity to them.

Since the game only deals in damage reduction alone, and the fact that NPCs are extremely lethal at close quarters, it makes sense from this game's gameplay that you would die extremely fast to an NPC regardless of equipment. It also makes sense why pistols would still be a threat. For example, a revolver only doing 25% of damage to the chest (75% reduction from chest plate) would still do roughly 9 damage or so, as well as bleeding.

I'm pretty sure the objective of armor in this game (and many others) is to give you a lot more fighting potential, while still ensuring that you are not made into a god by wearing it. Sure, armor does reduce damage, but it doesn't make you unkillable. That reduction of damage only allows you to take a few more shots than you would've normally, but that can make all the difference in the end. Heavy plate armor is good, but it doesn't and shouldn't make you unkillable.

[Dyex]

Originally posted by Jehnzedd:

Originally posted by Water Bottle:

and its op as ♥♥♥♥ 11 headshots to kill someone with the helm with a ak so explain show your work

I mentioned that I got killed in seconds by AI who were using pistols and chucked a single grenade.

If the armor is good in PvP as you seem to state here, then maybe I was mistaken about that but still a single AI taking down a full set in seconds seems off kilter.

Gonna blow your mind...
Scientist dont do bullet damage - they do bite damage.
Heavy armor not great protection to bite.
That's the missing information here.