How the Recycler killed all the fun in Rust

[Tyresia2]

This is not just a rant post. This is a fairly long thread that I'm writing because I REALLY hope that devs could see why Rust is slowing running downhill to a certain death because of a single, completely broken mechanic: the Recycler.
Let's see why.


I like Rust, really. I like it a lot. I like the basic farming mechanics, the ability to build a robust stronghold to keep enemies at bay, the trash weapons with huge recoils and terrible damage.

I like roaming around a map looking for scraps and components I cannot craft, and I like exploring new locations in search of that single thing I am missing to build what I want.

I like the idea of slowly starting from a naked bum with a cloth burlap to save myself from hypotermia, to a fully armed wanna-be mercenary with a rudimentary shovel-handled AK-47.


Too bad that Rust isn't that anymore.

Now Rust is just one thing - and we all know that very well - it's rushing to a few monuments (especially the Launch Site), grab some materials and recycle them all until you got an AK, a Thompson, a BAR with a scope and maybe even some rockets. Then, all you need to do is to roam a few spawns and kill and grief.

And that's it. Literally. What's the point of building a base? To stash those late-game stuff that you literally build within an hour since you logged? It's pointless. You need to invest hours to do so, and after all, it's not worth it. Not as much as just running to a monument and recycle the sh***t out of it.

Rush as soon as the server is wiped, establish yourself, and destroy everyone else. That's not even PvP, it's literally a no-more-than-3-hours-of-fun rush that's making the game utterly boring. Any activity other than recycling weapons is, for the most part, plainly pointless.


Simply put, the Recycler is what is killing the whole game and it's breaking its own internal rules.
Late game - that's the keyword here. Some stuff *must* be crafted LATER to make a game viable and balanced for everyone. If you can obtain end-game equipment in just 1-2 hours, then it's quite obvious that something is not working properly.

To farm 100 HQMs you need several hours, not to talk about the risk of roaming across a very large portion of the map to achieve all those minerals. Then you need to wait out till they're smelted and a safe place to do it with a significant risk of being attacked.

With a recycler, you just need a lucky run into a Large Docks or an Airfield, or a Hazmat to scout out the inner zones of a Military Tunnel or Power Plant. That's it. That's literally all you need to craft every weapon (including the ammunition) needed to raze anyone else and jump to the alleged "end-game."


We all saw it, we all know that. It's not a "survival" game anymore, it's not a game that gives you any reason to play more than just those 2-3 hours where a bunch of clans fight to control the area surrounding the launch site. And that's not because of the Twigs update or the blueprints or the xp. All those changes may be good or bad, but it's not up to me to decide that.

The only thing that single-handedly brought us Santa Claus during the summer season in the form of seemingly endless end-game resources, is that damn broken Recycler. 50 metal scraps for an empty propane tank? Really? What about the airfield Research Table + Recycler combo that literally lets you duplicate pipes and metal sheets to obtain -hundreds- of HQM in just a few minutes? How can this be seen as "balanced" "fun" or "playable"?

We're literally watching this game wane out and die because of a single broken thing. Please fix it, it's just that. Everything else is a matter of tastes but this -- how broken is this is just as obvious as it could be.

[SITH]

Interesting

[phrog]

What?
Rifle bodies are so rare in those barrels that it´s not an issue at all.

[Ahmonia]

引用自 r3mus：

What?
Rifle bodies are so rare in those barrels that it´s not an issue at all.

Rifle bodies arent at all you can find 1 body and just keep making more with scraps its op

[phrog]

引用自 A$AP：

引用自 r3mus：

What?
Rifle bodies are so rare in those barrels that it´s not an issue at all.

Rifle bodies arent at all you can find 1 body and just keep making more with scraps its op

I have yet to find a rifle body in a barrel.
I only found like two in the military tunnel that is radiated.

[Ahmonia]

Games not survival anymore its a fps game now theres only a hand full or less that have power over the game example bchillz they listen to him but not the community .. Helk just needs to listen to what we want

[phrog]

引用自 A$AP：

Games not survival anymore its a fps game now theres only a hand full or less that have power over the game example bchillz they listen to him but not the community .. Helk just needs to listen to what we want

Honestly i think offline raiding kills the game more for me than anything.

[SNOWY BOYS UNKN!]

Agreed honestly. But I don't see them taking it out since it's already a big part of the game. I used to think being able to craft a recycler would be a good idea but reading this really made me think about it and putting that into the game would be so cancer.

[BlumpkinKiller]

if minecraft, h1z1 and pubg had a baby rust is that baby , sadly it was dropped a few times and is now on life support.

[BlumpkinKiller]

seriously tho . this post is why i shut down my servers. thank you for sharing what i feel and many others know but won't agree to . your post is on every level true .

[Ahmonia]

Im with twig they need to take it out .. they had it awhile ago took it out garry leaves puts helk in charge and he brings it back lol it was taking out for a reason

[Flagg]

I agree, one good run at the launch site and dome and you are set for the entire game for the most part. Not saying I haven't done it because when you have a group of trolls just looking to spawn kill it is helpful to have a good defense off the bat but yes, this did completely, totally and utterly ruin the survival aspect of this game...

[BlumpkinKiller]

引用自 r3mus：

引用自 A$AP：

Games not survival anymore its a fps game now theres only a hand full or less that have power over the game example bchillz they listen to him but not the community .. Helk just needs to listen to what we want

Honestly i think offline raiding kills the game more for me than anything.

agreed as well , however whats really killing server's etc when it come sto "offline raiding'' are the server's running plugins such as clans.io and rust.io . not many people know this as it was brought to my attention that those two plugin's are in fact cheats to view hot spots on the map of those who have put time in building a base , and thos "clans" etc wait till people log off with noted area's to raid. when i ran my server i did not have those plugins and was hated for it , so it validated what i was told , and those who joined and played guess what , offline raiding wasn't happening in same day of wipe . odd huh . food for thought i suppose , but knowiung what i know about these modded server's and the hidden acts they pull among friends of the owner etc isn't going to catch me playing in any of these servers ! legit servers are those that do not have those two plugins.

[F1NN]

I completely agree with you, the recycler needs to be fixed/removed you can make an ak in the first coupple of hours of wipe. I know how this game is i've got 1.2k hours in it and i've seen it go through the xp system into component. xp system was really grindy but, atleast you had to grind now alls you need to do is run to a rad town get lucky recycle and you've got yourself an ak or bolty

[LuisXDO]

jesus what a bitch

[Rudolphus]

引用自 tyresia2：

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I like the idea of slowly starting from a naked bum with a cloth burlap to save myself from hypotermia, to a fully armed wanna-be mercenary with a rudimentary shovel-handled AK-47
...

It seems you are against the decision the devs made to minimize the progression within the game. And burlap wasn't even used before, only some noobs used to make burlap clothes. I never did.

The rush to get the first weapon in Rust will always be a discussion where so many players thought it were the different systems and system failures which had the blame. Now you are claiming it's the recycler.

Well it's just what every player wants, to get a weapon within as little time possible, so they can dominate the server. This is really the problem you seek. But it's easyer to blame different systems (bleuprint, XP, recycler,..etc) within the game and or the devs.
But it surely isn't the rat race players have from a new wipe to get their first weapon in as little as time possible. So they can shoot the next guy who comes along to get his first weapon. No surely this isn't the problem at all, it's the recycler LOL :D