Remove the craftable AK from Rust.

[Grandad]

Now don't jump down my throat and go crazy but in all honesty I think this game would be better without such an overpowered craftable long range fully automatic weapon and i'm wondering what other peoples opinions are?

Having played on long BP wipe servers all the game becomes after the first wipe is a race to AKs and whoever has the better team who has mastered using the AK wins around 90% of the fights. Yes you can get a win if you outplay a guy on his own or even a small team (which is unlikely) and when you do this it is awesome but in general it's just a really boring gun to play with and against. I want when you hear an AK to be an "OH NO!" moment, where as at the moment it's a "meh another AK fight" moment. The fact that the AK is craftable and not all that difficult to get for groups also almost completely negates the mid tier guns, how many groups bother crafting Tommys, SMGs or MP5s?.... honestly. Guns at the moment consist of low tier and highest tier, you may as well remove the rest.

I don't think the AK should be removed completely but personally I think it should be in drop boxes only and not craftable. It would make roaming group fights far more interesting as you'll not have a full group with AKs but you'll have a mish mash of weapons. It also makes protecting the AK team member important as he'll be the first target which opens up more strategic options.

I genuinely do think Rust would be better without being able to craft AKs.

[cRoNiC™]

Good point but bolty should rather be taken away from crafting tho , there are already a few fully auto weapons that is un craftable , ak gives everyone an oppertunity to have a taste of advanced weapons even if they are not skilled at pvp , just my opinion :) , you have a very compelling arguement and would be happy if they could implement such a request.

[Rudolphus]

if you'll do this, another weapon will take the place of the AK in the rat race to get the first gun.

[Speedbump]

I agree, good idea. They could make the AK an actual AK, instead of a gun that was clearly crafted by the player. They could make it look like a real AK101.

[Wolololo]

Originally posted by cRoNiC:

Good point but bolty should rather be taken away from crafting tho , there are already a few fully auto weapons that is un craftable , ak gives everyone an oppertunity to have a taste of advanced weapons even if they are not skilled at pvp , just my opinion :) , you have a very compelling arguement and would be happy if they could implement such a request.

I'd say make 4x uncrafteble instead

[Arctic Chopper]

The thing is, rust already have limited guns in comparison to other games - 2 assault rifles, 1 sniper rifle, ext, now if you remove the AK from craftables then there will be no actual craftable assault rifles, this would lead to a large gap in the progression of the game, also making it a lot harder for solo players to progress as much as larger clans

[Sinus]

Originally posted by Lorodiam:

Now don't jump down my throat and go crazy but in all honesty I think this game would be better without such an overpowered craftable long range fully automatic weapon and i'm wondering what other peoples opinions are?

Having played on long BP wipe servers all the game becomes after the first wipe is a race to AKs and whoever has the better team who has mastered using the AK wins around 90% of the fights. Yes you can get a win if you outplay a guy on his own or even a small team (which is unlikely) and when you do this it is awesome but in general it's just a really boring gun to play with and against. I want when you hear an AK to be an "OH NO!" moment, where as at the moment it's a "meh another AK fight" moment. The fact that the AK is craftable and not all that difficult to get for groups also almost completely negates the mid tier guns, how many groups bother crafting Tommys, SMGs or MP5s?.... honestly. Guns at the moment consist of low tier and highest tier, you may as well remove the rest.

I don't think the AK should be removed completely but personally I think it should be in drop boxes only and not craftable. It would make roaming group fights far more interesting as you'll not have a full group with AKs but you'll have a mish mash of weapons. It also makes protecting the AK team member important as he'll be the first target which opens up more strategic options.

I genuinely do think Rust would be better without being able to craft AKs.

tbh if you are a party fg and not solo your just trash anyway and your opinion doesn't count.

[LemoN]

I think they should remove you and add more automatic and makeshift weapons

[Grandad]

Originally posted by Moe-Lester:

The thing is, rust already have limited guns in comparison to other games - 2 assault rifles, 1 sniper rifle, ext, now if you remove the AK from craftables then there will be no actual craftable assault rifles, this would lead to a large gap in the progression of the game, also making it a lot harder for solo players to progress as much as larger clans

It's already almost only for large clans unless as a solo/small group player you make a lucky or really good play. I would actually argue the opposite regarding solo progression, with less groups roaming all armed with AKs it gives the solo player a better chance to at least survive. At present if out farming and are spotted (even from long distance) by an AK squad you are dead, if the had SARs you at least have a chance of escape (although still slim).

I also agree with the 4x scope being made uncraftable. Make those roof campers work a little harder.

As I said the AK wouldn't be totally removed just made uncraftable.

[BORG]

The AK just needs to be balanced properly. Nobody at Facepunch Studios honestly has any vast knowledge in proper game balance and design. Until the company hires a competenent designer to balance things out properly, Rust will forever be plagued with balance issues. To date it's just been a 'wing it and see what happens' sort of thing and quite honestly, it's stale and shows that there is all sorts of seriously lacking internal testing and design management.

[Speedbump]

Originally posted by BORG:

The AK just needs to be balanced properly. Nobody at Facepunch Studios honestly has any vast knowledge in proper game balance and design. Until the company hires a competenent designer to balance things out properly, Rust will forever be plagued with balance issues. To date it's just been a 'wing it and see what happens' sort of thing and quite honestly, it's stale and shows that there is all sorts of seriously lacking internal testing and design management.

Nah.

Originally posted by BORG:

I'm a little ♥♥♥♥♥ who gets lead around on a dog leash.

Yes.

[BORG]

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

Originally posted by BORG:

The AK just needs to be balanced properly. Nobody at Facepunch Studios honestly has any vast knowledge in proper game balance and design. Until the company hires a competenent designer to balance things out properly, Rust will forever be plagued with balance issues. To date it's just been a 'wing it and see what happens' sort of thing and quite honestly, it's stale and shows that there is all sorts of seriously lacking internal testing and design management.

Nah.

Originally posted by BORG:

I'm a little ♥♥♥♥♥ who gets lead around on a dog leash.

Yes.

You really do like to cause trouble don't you? You came here for nothing, but the sole purpose to derail the discussion and gossip about me. Please, stop this nonsense. Stay on the topic of discussion.

[Speedbump]

Originally posted by BORG:

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

Nah.


Yes.

You really do like to cause trouble don't you? You came here for nothing, but the sole purpose to derail the discussion and gossip about me. Please, stop this nonsense. Stay on the topic of discussion.

No I didn't. I posted before you.

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

I agree, good idea. They could make the AK an actual AK, instead of a gun that was clearly crafted by the player. They could make it look like a real AK101.

Right here. I got notifications of more posts on this thread and saw you being a ♥♥♥♥ again, decided I wanted to insult you, so I did.
I'm not causing trouble. There's nothing you can do about it and the mods gave up on patrolling the Rust forum a long time ago. Think about all the stuff I've said on this forum. I haven't been banned once.

[BORG]

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

Originally posted by BORG:

You really do like to cause trouble don't you? You came here for nothing, but the sole purpose to derail the discussion and gossip about me. Please, stop this nonsense. Stay on the topic of discussion.

No I didn't. I posted before you.

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

I agree, good idea. They could make the AK an actual AK, instead of a gun that was clearly crafted by the player. They could make it look like a real AK101.

Right here. I got notifications of more posts on this thread and saw you being a ♥♥♥♥ again, decided I wanted to insult you, so I did.
I'm not causing trouble. There's nothing you can do about it and the mods gave up on patrolling the Rust forum a long time ago. think about all the stuff I've said on this forum. I haven't been banned once.

Excuse me? The only one looking like what you said here, is you. You're here to cause trouble and your ignorant insults towards me show it. Don't play stupid and don't try to be coy. You deliberately started talking about me instead of Rust. We were talking about Rust and the AK. So far, you've contributed nothing to this discussion other than insulting and gossip about me. Whether you've been banned or not from the discussion board is irrelevant of this discussion too.

[Speedbump]

Originally posted by BORG:

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

No I didn't. I posted before you.


Right here. I got notifications of more posts on this thread and saw you being a ♥♥♥♥ again, decided I wanted to insult you, so I did.
I'm not causing trouble. There's nothing you can do about it and the mods gave up on patrolling the Rust forum a long time ago. think about all the stuff I've said on this forum. I haven't been banned once.

Excuse me? The only one looking like what you said here, is you. You're here to cause trouble and your ignorant insults towards me show it. Don't play stupid and don't try to be coy. You deliberately started talking about me instead of Rust. We were talking about Rust and the AK. So far, you've contributed nothing to this discussion other than insulting and gossip about me. Whether you've been banned or not from the discussion board is irrelevant of this discussion too.

Nope, you look like a ♥♥♥♥.
I'm not here to cause trouble, I'm here to pass time. If I wanted to cause trouble I'd track you down.
I did. Because you were randomly insulting people to try and spark an argument.
You think it's ok to insult random developers, but not for someone to insult you back? After you started it?

[BORG]

Originally posted by Rick Mason:

Originally posted by BORG:

Excuse me? The only one looking like what you said here, is you. You're here to cause trouble and your ignorant insults towards me show it. Don't play stupid and don't try to be coy. You deliberately started talking about me instead of Rust. We were talking about Rust and the AK. So far, you've contributed nothing to this discussion other than insulting and gossip about me. Whether you've been banned or not from the discussion board is irrelevant of this discussion too.

Nope, you look like a ♥♥♥♥.
I'm not here to cause trouble, I'm here to pass time. If I wanted to cause trouble I'd track you down.
I did. Because you were randomly insulting people to try and spark an argument.
You think it's ok to insult random developers, but not for someone to insult you back? After you started it?

I didn't insult anyone. I told it how it is at Facepunch Studios. If you cannot handle that, that is your problem, Mason. You came here ONLY to talk about me instead of the subject of the discussion. Had you not, you would have talked about the discussion subject NOT me.

Yeah, you are here to not create problems alright - not. You're looking to cause trouble nothing more or less.