What graphics card do I need to get that low 30+ fps at 1080p native (No frame gen or upscale).

[Chouchers]

Just asking? I don't don't care if it form Nvidia,Intel or AMD but try keep it cheap so target game low preset. My Arc A380 fall flat on it face with demo time upgrade.

[longboardfish]

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Need to know make and model.

A high quality one can be just fine on a lower power system like that, they recommend higher wattage to be safe with higher power CPUs like intel 12/13/14900k.

It this model.
https://www.amazon.com/ARESGAME-Supply-Certified-Modular-Warranty/dp/B0BDCKFJJT/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1WNI5XR2VO3V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.RACI0PKc1XHji6dXbe2E7w2gpqcnkYKQ3NUsx8nnpKkYUI9GPi9X6y2Lp2KYBNSr9i62vpCa9WbI_PIS94etHHDHkFdKdBkLcr-dgCDp2wifB8N2MrSreHmvlq-_sGP7dLs6AlINvwPqhXepy4BOU7N0F9tgX2PdRBbm-ayLfi7Z6DNg6FRCk6GnVq8tHo2B6Hu295mdYaxBb8K5gymSbdkQxvc6h4RGmlbGq5mv3D4.Jfe7OFt7j7PCVSliJo0kvHfEE55OKEn5VLQ_BxGXtYQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=500%2Bwatt%2BPSU&qid=1726943495&sprefix=500%2Bwatt%2Bpsu%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-3&th=1

Looks terrible to be honest, I certainly do not trust brands like that to trip when overloaded and not catch on fire

Here is a decent one for $80 on sale.
https://nzxt.com/product/c750

[weiss]

Publicado originalmente por Chouchers:

Just asking? I don't don't care if it form Nvidia,Intel or AMD but try keep it cheap so target game low preset. My Arc A380 fall flat on it face with demo time upgrade.

its not the matter what for a graphic card you need.

you need a cpu and a gpu which is nowadays "standard" and equal with eachother.

FF16 is a game which uses both, cpu and gpu and wants that both work well together.
if one of both bottlenecks eachother will you have trouble.

so, my recommendation is, get a new PC rig which would be considered "standard for gaming" today and pay attention to it that CPU and GPU are in performance EQUAL and do not missmatch in performance.

so many peoples do nowadays the mistake and putt older cpus with the new cpu generation together and then wonder themselfs why games dont run well as soon it comes to a game which pushes the PC more then usual.

so, please, make really sure you have a cpu and gpu which dont try to kill eachother as soon they need to work together.

like peoples say FF16 is CPU heavy, other peoples say no, its gpu heavy.
those peoples have a cpu and gpu missmatch.
whenever i play getting cpu and gpu used to 40~70% BOTH of them equally.
i do not have a cpu and gpu missmatch. my cpu and gpu are equal with eachother.

so, again. and i can say it not often enough.
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!! that cpu and gpu are equal. dont get a PC rig where the cpu or gpu bottlenecks the other part. it will always lead to issues if you dont pay attention!
the ram should be aswell in a frequency range of the gpu since the ram assists (if the gpu has not enough vram) the gpu. its aswell an important part.

[Chouchers]

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It this model.
https://www.amazon.com/ARESGAME-Supply-Certified-Modular-Warranty/dp/B0BDCKFJJT/ref=sr_1_3?crid=1WNI5XR2VO3V2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.RACI0PKc1XHji6dXbe2E7w2gpqcnkYKQ3NUsx8nnpKkYUI9GPi9X6y2Lp2KYBNSr9i62vpCa9WbI_PIS94etHHDHkFdKdBkLcr-dgCDp2wifB8N2MrSreHmvlq-_sGP7dLs6AlINvwPqhXepy4BOU7N0F9tgX2PdRBbm-ayLfi7Z6DNg6FRCk6GnVq8tHo2B6Hu295mdYaxBb8K5gymSbdkQxvc6h4RGmlbGq5mv3D4.Jfe7OFt7j7PCVSliJo0kvHfEE55OKEn5VLQ_BxGXtYQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=500%2Bwatt%2BPSU&qid=1726943495&sprefix=500%2Bwatt%2Bpsu%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-3&th=1

Looks terrible to be honest, I certainly do not trust brands like that to trip when overloaded and not catch on fire

Here is a decent one for $80 on sale.
https://nzxt.com/product/c750

Ok I will also get new PSU and it first as have wait to pay to get rx6800.

[longboardfish]

Publicado originalmente por Chouchers:

Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

Looks terrible to be honest, I certainly do not trust brands like that to trip when overloaded and not catch on fire

Here is a decent one for $80 on sale.
https://nzxt.com/product/c750

Ok I will also get new PSU and it first as have wait to pay to get rx6800.

Yeah, I think you'll be a lot happier with a 6800 versus most other options in that price range.

They go on sale new for $340-360 if you want to get a full warranty,
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/xfx-speedster-swft319-amd-radeon-rx-6800-16gb-gddr6-pci-express-4-0-gaming-graphics-card-black/6559272.p?skuId=6559272

6750xt is pretty good too at $299 for new.
https://www.amazon.com/PowerColor-Fighter-Radeon-GDDR6-Graphics/dp/B0CH1R789W

I just grabbed a refurb one and have been happy. But I'm a pretty experienced pc builder so whatever you're more comfortable with. Just beware that it only comes with a 30 day warranty so you'll want to do lots of testing, benchmarking, etc, I've had mine for a year and it's been fine but YMMV.
https://bitworks.io/product/sapphire-11305-02-20g-pulse-amd-radeon-rx-6800-pcie-4-0-gaming-graphics-card-with-16gb-gddr6-pack-of-1-renewed/

Reddit has some great resources for building PC's.
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/

[longboardfish]

Publicado originalmente por weiss:

Publicado originalmente por Chouchers:

Just asking? I don't don't care if it form Nvidia,Intel or AMD but try keep it cheap so target game low preset. My Arc A380 fall flat on it face with demo time upgrade.

its not the matter what for a graphic card you need.

you need a cpu and a gpu which is nowadays "standard" and equal with eachother.

FF16 is a game which uses both, cpu and gpu and wants that both work well together.
if one of both bottlenecks eachother will you have trouble.

so, my recommendation is, get a new PC rig which would be considered "standard for gaming" today and pay attention to it that CPU and GPU are in performance EQUAL and do not missmatch in performance.

so many peoples do nowadays the mistake and putt older cpus with the new cpu generation together and then wonder themselfs why games dont run well as soon it comes to a game which pushes the PC more then usual.

so, please, make really sure you have a cpu and gpu which dont try to kill eachother as soon they need to work together.

like peoples say FF16 is CPU heavy, other peoples say no, its gpu heavy.
those peoples have a cpu and gpu missmatch.
whenever i play getting cpu and gpu used to 40~70% BOTH of them equally.
i do not have a cpu and gpu missmatch. my cpu and gpu are equal with eachother.

so, again. and i can say it not often enough.
PLEASE PAY ATTENTION!!! that cpu and gpu are equal. dont get a PC rig where the cpu or gpu bottlenecks the other part. it will always lead to issues if you dont pay attention!
the ram should be aswell in a frequency range of the gpu since the ram assists (if the gpu has not enough vram) the gpu. its aswell an important part.

You never want to be CPU limited if you can help it, but in some games especially if targeting higher framerates you will inevitably be CPU limited.

It's much better to be GPU limited and FF16 is much heavier on the GPU versus CPU, especially as you raise the resolution.

The 6750 and 6800 are a great pairing for a 5600g.

[methoxetamine]

Have you really been brainwashed into thinking that 30fps at native resolution is somehow better than using DLSS and frame gen to get 3x as many frames? Kinda sad. I would absolutely refuse to play a game at 30fps and go play some 2d games if my pc was that bad.
Framerate > Visuals, first of all
Second of all, the hate for upscaling is so misguided. DLSS Quality still looks good. Frame gen still looks good. Obviously not having it is ideal but there's just no world where the tradeoff to have console-level fps is worth it to run at native res

[Dagný]

Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

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How good world arc would A 750 or RX6600 do at 1080p?

8gb cards will struggle with FF16. You really don't want to be purchasing an 8gb card today.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/final-fantasy-xvi-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html

I'm using RX6600 and I get 30fps without upscaling with high settings

THAT BEING SAID, I wouldn't buy an 8gb card today as well even if you want to game at 30fps

[Chouchers]

Publicado originalmente por methoxetamine:

Have you really been brainwashed into thinking that 30fps at native resolution is somehow better than using DLSS and frame gen to get 3x as many frames? Kinda sad. I would absolutely refuse to play a game at 30fps and go play some 2d games if my pc was that bad.
Framerate > Visuals, first of all
Second of all, the hate for upscaling is so misguided. DLSS Quality still looks good. Frame gen still looks good. Obviously not having it is ideal but there's just no world where the tradeoff to have console-level fps is worth it to run at native res

I never had GPU that support DLSS so can't say but I prefer visuals over framerate in fact low framerate don't really bug me unless it run very slow motion or slideshow.

[longboardfish]

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Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

8gb cards will struggle with FF16. You really don't want to be purchasing an 8gb card today.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/final-fantasy-xvi-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html

I'm using RX6600 and I get 30fps without upscaling

THAT BEING SAID, I wouldn't buy an 8gb card today as well even if you want to game at 30fps

Yeah, I think the extra 50% for a 6750xt with ~60% more performance and 50% more vram is definitely worth it. 7700xt at 370 and 6800 at $299-350 are very good too.

I wouldn't even consider NVidia cards in this price range,

I regret my 3080 now. It runs out of VRAM in FF16 at 4k even with Ultra Performance DLSS.

[ಠ_ಠ]

Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

8gb cards will struggle with FF16. You really don't want to be purchasing an 8gb card today.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/final-fantasy-xvi-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html

I have an 8gb video card (RX 7600). Runs the game fine at 1080p with the default settings.

[longboardfish]

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8gb cards will struggle with FF16. You really don't want to be purchasing an 8gb card today.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/final-fantasy-xvi-fps-performance-benchmark/5.html

I have an 8gb video card (RX 7600). Runs the game fine at 1080p with the default settings.

Do you monitor your framerate? Once you run out of vram it will start swapping to system memory and the FPS will drop or you'll get stutters.

[Shadowlet]

Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

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I have an 8gb video card (RX 7600). Runs the game fine at 1080p with the default settings.

Do you monitor your framerate? Once you run out of vram it will start swapping to system memory and the FPS will drop or you'll get stutters.

This game seems to keep raising VRAM usage higher and higher the more you play. It has to be the game's fault..

(8GB card)
Starts around 9000MB and it climbed to 1100MB 50 minutes later after a few cutscenes and load screens. Then of course performance degrading starts to kick in. And this is all happening while staying in the same area.

[Dagný]

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Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

Do you monitor your framerate? Once you run out of vram it will start swapping to system memory and the FPS will drop or you'll get stutters.

This game seems to keep raising VRAM usage higher and higher the more you play. It has to be the game's fault..

(8GB card)
Starts around 9000MB and it climbed to 1100MB 50 minutes later after a few cutscenes and load screens. Then of course performance degrading starts to kick in. And this is all happening while staying in the same area.

Yeah I had this today after a particularly long session, it was running without any issues until during the Garuda fight, then it was stuttering nightmare. I did that whole part after restarting the game again without any issues.

They'll probably patch this but since it's a short action game compared to other FFs most people won't even be playing anymore.
But yeah, 8gigs cards in 2024 is the bare minimum. It's playable but with vram issues. Do not buy 8gigs cards in 2024.

[ಠ_ಠ]

Publicado originalmente por longboardfish:

Do you monitor your framerate? Once you run out of vram it will start swapping to system memory and the FPS will drop or you'll get stutters.

Not while I'm playing, because I don't really care. Just looking at the performance statistics in the AMD software.

I had it running for four hours straight yesterday and didn't get any noticeable drops in performance. Same for the two hours I was able to play today.


For someone that is on a super tight budget, and isn't looking for more than 30 fps at 1080p, an 8 gig card is probably fine. Even if the performance eventually starts to drop, they can just save and restart the game. No big deal.

Assuming the rest of their system can handle the load. I'm running a Ryzen 7 2700, 32 gigs of GDDR4 3200, on an NVMe SSD. Quick comparison says it should probably be fine.