I don't get it

[ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.)]

What's the point of "personnality tests" if the worst kind of "personnalities" ever (dangerous psychopatic traits, sadistic traits, etc) will never acknowledge what they truly are because that's actually not in their "personnality" to recognize any "weakness" ?
So, a "personnality test" is actually designed to cater only to "weak" personnalities, the ones who don't have any power and are desperately looking for "answers", that this game obviously won't provide.
Is that a way to "comfort" them in their misery or just a way to make them more miserable by putting them in a "designed case" ?

[ph0ne (greatijedi)]

Well, there are unsavory personalities in the game.
Bancho and Merchant being the most clear ones.
Also arguably Artisan, Solo Player, Judge, Runner, Gambler.

[ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.)]

Yeah, they surely exist in the game, as in any other "personnality test", but since the game is described as a "personnality test", will "these" people actually play the game and understand what they truly are (aka, psychopatic and dangerous human beings) ?

If not, what is the point of a "personnality test" if the "personnalities" that should objectively be banned (because they're dangerous for others) of the community are actually hyped and put on a pedestal on social networks ?

[ph0ne (greatijedi)]

The point of a personality test, as I see it, is the confirmation. "Is the game smart enough to sniff it out", you know?
Psycho personalities would already know that something is off. If they're self-aware, they'll be amused by the test's confirmation. If they're not, the person would just declare the test to be bogus and made by dumb people.

[ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.)]

Originally posted by ph0ne (greatijedi):

The point of a personality test, as I see it, is the confirmation. "Is the game smart enough to sniff it out", you know?
Psycho personalities would already know that something is off. If they're self-aware, they'll be amused by the test's confirmation. If they're not, the person would just declare the test to be bogus and made by dumb people.

I like your answer because you actually give a real and constructed answer to my questions, instead of attacking me for asking them.
I might not agree with all you say, but I appreciate some kind of debate, thank you.

[寝坊ネコ]

Well... you spent 5US for the test. I don't know, but I spent 160TWD. Anyway, I think it's quite enough that this test tells what a part of me is like though not including my weakness. I ask only accuracy and fun. If you want to know yourself even further, I suggest you get yourself a therapist.

What do you mean it doesn't tell us who we are? It tells you a part of you, though not entire, is like. Do you not acknowledge this side of yourself is who you are, at least partially? Is like a... monism argument or something?

[寝坊ネコ]

Originally posted by ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.):

Yeah, they surely exist in the game, as in any other "personnality test", but since the game is described as a "personnality test", will "these" people actually play the game and understand what they truly are (aka, psychopatic and dangerous human beings) ?

If not, what is the point of a "personnality test" if the "personnalities" that should objectively be banned (because they're dangerous for others) of the community are actually hyped and put on a pedestal on social networks ?

I think you take it too seriously. Mind if I share a little Asian culture? "Unofficial personality test" is popular, especially to Japanese, simply because it's fun and it's a good conversation you can share with your closed friends. It's not... exactly a case that we usually expect it shows us who's a psychopath. I'm not a psychologist, but I'm sure that that is not most kinds of formal personality test is all about too. If you need an example, just take MBTI.

If you have a friend whom actually has serious mental issues... well, you don't expect a 5 dollar game shows you the problem, please go get a therapist.

[寝坊ネコ]

If you assume someone exist and has absolutely no positive personality, therefore this test tells nothing about this person... I don't know what to say, man. Yeah, this could happen and if it does, this game is useless in this case indeed. But... we just try to fun, you know? Sorry for not taking case of everybody. After all, I think it best you consider this as a game, more than a personality test

[ChrisPharmD]

You're not describing "personality." You're describing pathological behavior. Dangerous and intrusive thoughts are not "personality" in the same way that "anxiety" isn't considered "personality."

[ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.)]

Originally posted by ChrisPharmD:

You're not describing "personality." You're describing pathological behavior. Dangerous and intrusive thoughts are not "personality" in the same way that "anxiety" isn't considered "personality."

Are you projecting yourself on others ?
I never talked about "dangerous and intrusive thoughts", I was talking about psychopathic-dangerous and sadistic traits which I can commonly witness in "normal and functioning" persons of our societies.
"Dangerous and intrusive thoughts" are more commonly found in schizophrenic and psychotic traits, which I never talked about.

[WarPigeon]

I don't know that a video game setting would be the best place to test for neurotic behavior, because as it is most games encourage such behavior. Action games encourage players to wantonly kill other for personal gain (lack of empathy), oftentimes in very graphic ways (sadism). Strategy games and some RPGS often reward a certain degree of Machiavellianism. Moreover, nearly every game posits the player as "the chosen one", and many of the player's choices are portrayed as "right" even if they negatively affect others (narcissism).

As a result, most players will have no qualms doing any of those things in a video game, even if they would never even consider them in real life. A test like that wouldn't be very accurate, as it would likely give a lot of false positives.

The only way I can think of to make it more accurate would be to make the game multiplayer, and to make neurotic actions directly affect other players. Personally, I've always wondered at the correlation between jerk behavior in games (such as ganking, trolling, etc) and dark triad personality traits, but even then I think you'd get a number of false positives.

Originally posted by ph0ne (greatijedi):

The point of a personality test, as I see it, is the confirmation. "Is the game smart enough to sniff it out", you know?
Psycho personalities would already know that something is off. If they're self-aware, they'll be amused by the test's confirmation. If they're not, the person would just declare the test to be bogus and made by dumb people.

Self-aware, high functioning psychopaths are truly scary, and sadly I think that they are able to exploit our political/economic systems in order to gain power. Not all of them are like this, of course, but I think there is a reason a lot of people hate politicians, lawyers, and more recently, CEOs.

Originally posted by ChrisPharmD:

You're not describing "personality." You're describing pathological behavior. Dangerous and intrusive thoughts are not "personality" in the same way that "anxiety" isn't considered "personality."

It depends on the personality test, but neurotic behavior is often seen as a personality trait. Some people are just hard wired to do those things, which is why some people are unwilling to change even with therapy.

[ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.)]

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

I don't know that a video game setting would be the best place to test for neurotic behavior, because as it is most games encourage such behavior. Action games encourage players to wantonly kill other for personal gain (lack of empathy), oftentimes in very graphic ways (sadism). Strategy games and some RPGS often reward a certain degree of Machiavellianism. Moreover, nearly every game posits the player as "the chosen one", and many of the player's choices are portrayed as "right" even if they negatively affect others (narcissism).

As a result, most players will have no qualms doing any of those things in a video game, even if they would never even consider them in real life. A test like that wouldn't be very accurate, as it would likely give a lot of false positives.

The only way I can think of to make it more accurate would be to make the game multiplayer, and to make neurotic actions directly affect other players. Personally, I've always wondered at the correlation between jerk behavior in games (such as ganking, trolling, etc) and dark triad personality traits, but even then I think you'd get a number of false positives.

I agree with all you said above, and I would answer that in my opinion, these traits are inherent to human mind/consciousness as a whole, and that's exactly why, as you said, "most players will have no qualms doing any of those things in a video game", because majority of players are able to make the difference between video games and real-world and what they do in a game is some kind of an "outlet".
And that's also why, as you noted, comparing in-game behavior with real-world behavior wouldn't be accurate at all.

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Originally posted by ph0ne (greatijedi):

The point of a personality test, as I see it, is the confirmation. "Is the game smart enough to sniff it out", you know?
Psycho personalities would already know that something is off. If they're self-aware, they'll be amused by the test's confirmation. If they're not, the person would just declare the test to be bogus and made by dumb people.

Self-aware, high functioning psychopaths are truly scary, and sadly I think that a number of them hold high positions of power in our world.

That was actually exactly the whole point of my thread and I was on the verge of writing the same kind of thing following my posts, so thank you for being able to express it in such a clear manner, you took the words out of my mind.

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Originally posted by ChrisPharmD:

You're not describing "personality." You're describing pathological behavior. Dangerous and intrusive thoughts are not "personality" in the same way that "anxiety" isn't considered "personality."

It depends on the personality test, but neurotic behavior is often seen as a personality trait. Some people are just hard wired to do those things, which is why some people are unwilling to change even with therapy.

Still agreeing 100%

[WarPigeon]

Originally posted by ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.):

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

Self-aware, high functioning psychopaths are truly scary, and sadly I think that a number of them hold high positions of power in our world.

That was actually exactly the whole point of my thread and I was on the verge of writing the same kind of thing following my posts, so thank you for being able to express it in such a clear manner, you took the words out of my mind.

Thank you for the nice comments.

I really think that psychopaths like this are a big reason why the world is in its current state, and that the best thing for normal folks to do is to be able identify these people and slowly try to change our systems so that they don't encourage negative behavior.

The first step that most people can try to do is look at their own political side and try to find out who's "gaming the system" in their own party. It's easy enough to point out people on the other side, but few people try to do the same on their own. This might also help cut down on some of the polarization that has been happening in politics recently.

[WarPigeon]

@Snowberry:

Whoa, what? Where did that come from? lol

[寝坊ネコ]

Originally posted by WarPigeon:

@Snowberry:

Whoa, what? Where did that come from? lol

This is it? Is this the western reality? Stupid ass watching too much TV shows talking about conspiracy online with arguments laughing people's ass off below a 7.99$US game that took you three hours to complete and 5 minute conversation with friends? Are you not embarrassed talking about things you do not have actual knowledge or degree of?

[ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.)]

Originally posted by Snowberry:

Originally posted by ﹲ﮺ﹳꞣᾇstמꭆ-ﺤ(Dr.):

If you feel incomfortable for whatever reason by this thread, nobody locks you inside here, just go away and enjoy your "family-friendly" activities without people like us.
Very simple to solve, but you prefer to express your hate for no reason, instead of just walking away.
Nobody insulted you here, so no need to be condescendent towards anybody here.

So... what's your degree on psychology and political study? Doctor...who?

I'm a certified doctor and I don't see any need to prove it to you.
I reported your post as insulting,flaming and toxic and I block you so I can't read your salty nonsense anymore.