kinda messy how they mix shadow into sonic generations

[olc]

so the whole way they mixed shadow into sonic generations is when sonic races him, he "lets" sonic defeat him so he takes the "fake" yellow emerald tails did on SA 2. game ending scene is they will replace real emerald with the fake one so sonic can destroy the time eater... shadow is not PRESENT in any way unless they changed that as well, not to mention there could be a SONIC x SILVER generations incoming since there is tons of artkwork for iblis future monster, iblis minions and mephiles is already on shadow, not to mention a model for solaris. it would be stupid to get a new gigantic DLC with silver fighting iblis then again mephiles then again solaris. how come the time eater trashed the time line VS solaris witch should be even more powerful is just chilling. or what the time eater is like solaris son? lol

[The-Mighty-Lulnut]

Another reason this re-release feels so forced. They just wanted to rush a Shadow game to market before the third movie came out, and they needlessly botched and censored Sonic Generations in the process too.

[olc]

Originally posted by The-Mighty-Lulnut:

Another reason this re-release feels so forced. They just wanted to rush a Shadow game to market before the third movie came out, and they needlessly botched and censored Sonic Generations in the process too.

no issue with modernizing generations (the original game is still out there unmodified) i would just show shadow using his doom powers to teleport to sonic white space hub and talk to him, (after the race ingame) and offer him his help. then sonic doing the same but shadow explaining to him "i am the only one that can defeat doom, you know that by the last time we encountered him" (referencing his own game and big true ending) rather than tweak stuff in a moronic way like shadow forfeits the race with sonic cause somehow he knows he always no matter what looses or should loose the race?

[Mez Koo]

Silver dlc campaign would be cool ngl.

[GrimAtrament]

Shadow is quite literally present during the time eater fight.

[ElfPrince1937]

Shadow literally says to Sonic, "On your feet!" during the Time Eater boss, drill sergeant-style.

Heck, one nice little thing I noticed is that He's also there at the birthday party post-game, despite missing it during the intro due to his mission aboard the ARK.

He is very much present.

[olc]

Originally posted by ElfPrince1937:

Shadow literally says to Sonic, "On your feet!" during the Time Eater boss, drill sergeant-style.

Heck, one nice little thing I noticed is that He's also there at the birthday party post-game, despite missing it during the intro due to his mission aboard the ARK.

He is very much present.

in the original generations i dont remember him on the ending. anyways i like he could meet once again maria and found inner peace, so one day can be a friend of sonic and not just a dumb rival

[ElfPrince1937]

Originally posted by olc:

in the original generations i dont remember him on the ending.

He's there in the background, because of course Shadow isn't exactly the life of the party.

Originally posted by olc:

one day can be a friend of sonic and not just a dumb rival

Um, excuse you?

Sonic is his dumb rival.

[Ikagura]

Another Retcon to tell that "he actually went to fight Sonic and lose".

Honestly Knuckles' story in Sonic 3 & Knuckles made sense as it was set after Sonic 3&K's main story so it explains why Knux doesn't encounter Sonic during his path. Same with other games like Kirby Triple Deluxe where Dedede's journey is set after Kirby's (so it explains why he doesn't fight him either).

I would've been fine if they actually made it so Shadow's story was set either before or after Sonic's story.

[olc]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Another Retcon to tell that "he actually went to fight Sonic and lose".

Honestly Knuckles' story in Sonic 3 & Knuckles made sense as it was set after Sonic 3&K's main story so it explains why Knux doesn't encounter Sonic during his path.

i feel almost like giving the moron threatment to make me think shadow is going to have new doom powers, and is going to race sonic AND LOOSE on purpose. at least give me a line like "i loose to save time and space" not just "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost" by that logic just give the emerald and be done with the matter

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Another Retcon to tell that "he actually went to fight Sonic and lose".

Honestly Knuckles' story in Sonic 3 & Knuckles made sense as it was set after Sonic 3&K's main story so it explains why Knux doesn't encounter Sonic during his path.

i feel almost like giving the moron threatment to make me think shadow is going to have new doom powers, and is going to race sonic AND LOOSE on purpose. at least give me a line like "i loose to save time and space" not just "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost" by that logic just give the emerald and be done with the matter

I would've actually loved to see a fight against Sonic like in SA2 and Shadow where at the end of the cutscene there would be a twist where Shadow would lose.

Sonic didn't have a proper boss fight since 2006.


Furthermore I assumed that the Shadow you met in Generations was SA2 Shadow, not current Shadow with his memory.

Silver in Gens also seemed like to be the same from '06 not the one you had post-Rivals.

[olc]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by olc:

i feel almost like giving the moron threatment to make me think shadow is going to have new doom powers, and is going to race sonic AND LOOSE on purpose. at least give me a line like "i loose to save time and space" not just "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost" by that logic just give the emerald and be done with the matter

I would've actually loved to see a fight against Sonic like in SA2 and Shadow where at the end of the cutscene there would be a twist where Shadow would lose.

Sonic didn't have a proper boss fight since 2006.

it would be fun to see after the birthday shadow and sonic have a rematch on the ARK with the roles reversed (you as shadow as a second match) just to defeat sonic. but since its his birthday shadow gives a copy of his bracelet rings and explains those are made to make sonic go faster so one day sonic can truly be as fast as shadow even if he ever gets his doom powers back

[kitsune_xiii]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by ElfPrince1937:

Shadow literally says to Sonic, "On your feet!" during the Time Eater boss, drill sergeant-style.

Heck, one nice little thing I noticed is that He's also there at the birthday party post-game, despite missing it during the intro due to his mission aboard the ARK.

He is very much present.

in the original generations i dont remember him on the ending. anyways i like he could meet once again maria and found inner peace, so one day can be a friend of sonic and not just a dumb rival

Shadow's very much there both against the Time Eater, ("On your feet!" and a little later, "You got this, Sonic!") and then is hanging around in the background during the after-party. (Omega's there, too). It's admittedly blink and you'll miss it, but he was not added in the rerelease he was always there.

He also didn't lose on purpose here. Shadow has, historically, only done fair fights against Sonic except when possessed by Black Doom. He does not consider the Doom Powers to be his own, and while deciding whether or not to use them against Sonic, Sonic manages to take the lead and win.
Shadow, being Shadow, accepts the loss gracefully.

As for why the battle is in a cutscene: it's because Sonic canonically has to win due to Sonic Generations.

The fake emerald is a bit of a contrivance: Shadow needs a Chaos Emerald in order to Chaos Control, any Emerald will do, he doesn't need a specific one and he's used different ones across the game. To my memory: Green in SA2, Blue and Purple in '06, and Green is the first one he picks up in ShTH. Shadow cannot, to our knowledge, Chaos Control with the fake Emerald. Sonic Very Notably Can. It's kind of a huge scene in SA2.
As such, ShadGen makes it a point to show us Shadow getting the Fake Emerald, so that when Sonic defeats him later and canonically takes the Emerald, Shadow still has a Chaos Emerald.

Due to the temporary nature of White Space, they can't pull an S3&K and have them happen a slightly different time.
Though I'm admittedly very sad about my own theory that the Shadow in Generations was SA2!Shads was jossed. I was attached to it xD I understand why they didn't do that though.

EDIT: oops forgot words

[Allard]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Another Retcon to tell that "he actually went to fight Sonic and lose".

Honestly Knuckles' story in Sonic 3 & Knuckles made sense as it was set after Sonic 3&K's main story so it explains why Knux doesn't encounter Sonic during his path.

i feel almost like giving the moron threatment to make me think shadow is going to have new doom powers, and is going to race sonic AND LOOSE on purpose. at least give me a line like "i loose to save time and space" not just "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost" by that logic just give the emerald and be done with the matter

I love how both are you are wrong. He didn't plan on losing to Sonic on purpose and what was the nonsense about "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost"? The cutscene was pretty explicit: Shadow feels his Doom Powers waking up, holds them back and Sonic catches him off-guard in that moment and wins - but Shadow lets the fake emeralds slip in place of the real one. He didn't lose on purpose, he just refused to use his Doom Powers, because, as he explained to Rouge, if he's gonna win, he's gonna do it fair and square, on equal ground with Sonic.

[olc]

Originally posted by Allard:

Originally posted by olc:

i feel almost like giving the moron threatment to make me think shadow is going to have new doom powers, and is going to race sonic AND LOOSE on purpose. at least give me a line like "i loose to save time and space" not just "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost" by that logic just give the emerald and be done with the matter

I love how both are you are wrong. He didn't plan on losing to Sonic on purpose and what was the nonsense about "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost"? The cutscene was pretty explicit: Shadow feels his Doom Powers waking up, holds them back and Sonic catches him off-guard in that moment and wins - but Shadow lets the fake emeralds slip in place of the real one. He didn't lose on purpose, he just refused to use his Doom Powers, because, as he explained to Rouge, if he's gonna win, he's gonna do it fair and square, on equal ground with Sonic.

yes as he in sonic adventure 2 used chaos control to be faster than sonic is super fair.
or when in shadow the hedgehog used weapons to gain advantage over the enemies (beeing the GUN soldiers or the black doom invading forces equally)
or in the dark endings of shadow the hedgehog decided to take the chaos esmeralds and use the power for destruction.
shadow let sonic win because he supressed his doom powers. let the fake emerald slip out because he needed it for a bit more to finish again devil doom. and the fairness was used so shadow wont need to admit to rouge that he lost on purpuse to give the emerald to sonic cause the generations storyline goes in that manner.

[kitsune_xiii]

Originally posted by olc:

Originally posted by Allard:

I love how both are you are wrong. He didn't plan on losing to Sonic on purpose and what was the nonsense about "ow yeah i did this years ago and lost"? The cutscene was pretty explicit: Shadow feels his Doom Powers waking up, holds them back and Sonic catches him off-guard in that moment and wins - but Shadow lets the fake emeralds slip in place of the real one. He didn't lose on purpose, he just refused to use his Doom Powers, because, as he explained to Rouge, if he's gonna win, he's gonna do it fair and square, on equal ground with Sonic.

yes as he in sonic adventure 2 used chaos control to be faster than sonic is super fair.
or when in shadow the hedgehog used weapons to gain advantage over the enemies (beeing the GUN soldiers or the black doom invading forces equally)
or in the dark endings of shadow the hedgehog decided to take the chaos esmeralds and use the power for destruction.
shadow let sonic win because he supressed his doom powers. let the fake emerald slip out because he needed it for a bit more to finish again devil doom. and the fairness was used so shadow wont need to admit to rouge that he lost on purpuse to give the emerald to sonic cause the generations storyline goes in that manner.

We didn't say anything about his fights against non-Sonic opponents.

Shadow fights Sonic fairly. Even in SA2, after the very first encounter. We even see it in Battle and Heroes. When against Sonic, Shadow does not use cheap tricks.
Hell we even see it in the Boom games where he despises Sonic.

He uses them against every other opponent, but he respects Sonic and his skill that he refuses to use cheap tricks.
He did not lose on purpose, he got distracted choosing not to use his new abilities and took a hit.

Think of it this way: Why would he deliberately give up an Emerald to Sonic? He doesn't know what's going on with the Time Eater, he as no reason to actively aid Sonic there and frankly isn't inclined to. He did not "let" the Chaos Emerald be knocked away. He simply lost.