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You would actually start to like him again by the end of chapter..3? I don't remember.
He is actually quite a decent guy tbh. But I do think he is kinda weak..
I wouldn't go as far as to say I hated Agate, but I adored and connected with all of the playable characters except for him, so....yeah, no one else comes close. It was bad enough that I refused to include him in my party in the final dungeon. Well, that, and if you want a front line character, Zane is 10 times better.
I actually liked Olivier a lot by the end. My impression of him completely changed once I suspected (then it was revealed) that his personality was 50% a calculated ruse to manipulate people around him.
I wouldn't say weak, but rather... unsuited for the final dungeon. The opponents in it are simply far too resistant to regular attacks and only hurt from Orbal arts, which aren't exactly up Agate's alley. As for his personality, while not entirely likeable, he adds up another bit of variety to the cast, which isn't an entirely bad thing.
I didn't start to like him by the end. He's a condesending prick that's too enveloped in his own pride and ego to recognize talent or potential if it whipped him in the d*ck. One does not simply chew out a little girl that handles transforming rocket launchers with ease. Agate should take his little sword and let the adults handle this situation.
I kind of appreciated Olivier by the end of Chapter 2.
Agate just hates Tita because she wields a weapon that outclasses his, and puts his e-peen to shame.
But I also won't deny I like him the least of all the characters you can play as regardless of the fact he's a tsundere. Tsundere archetypes can be good but he's terrible at pulling off the right balance.
Overprotective much? I'm not sure how far you are in the game and if you've already finished the Zeiss chapter, but...
Agate's TACT is pretty horrible there in that scene. Heck, it's pretty horrible everywhere else. Jean from the Ruan Guild pretty much acknowledges that a chapter earlier. But when you look beyond his poor choice of words, Agate has a good point which is why Joshua immediately (though reluctantly) takes his side.
Bracers are still supposed to be Liberl's police force. Imagine if, in the real world, a family member got kidnapped and the location of the hostage takers had just been revealed to the police. I wager the conversation would go something like this:
You: Can I accompany you to the place where they've taken him?
Policeman: Sorry sir, but please let us handle the situation. These perps are armed and dangerous.
You: But the victim's family of mine.
Policeman: That's exactly why it's better to let us handle it.
You: But I've got a gun.
Policeman: NO!
This isn't just about ability to deal death in combat, but also about crisis management skills and the ability to stay calm and composed in the heat of an emergency. And as cute as she is, Tita utterly sucks in the latter.
The situation where Agate tells Tita to stay put is very similar to another situation in the Bose chapter where Olivier comes along for the infiltration of the sky bandit hideout. Scherazard's reasoning there is the same as Agate: we've got a hostage situation with armed and dangerous people, so we're not gonna have civilians involved here. Note that that's after Schera already started having suspicions that Olivier was possibly a foreign operative.
Schera's solution: force wine down Olivier's throat until he slips into a semi-coma and then ditch him. I don't know about you, but if I had to choose between being rudely told to stay put and having 40% of my liver tissue killed off, I'll take Agate's methods over Schera's any day, thankyouverymuch. :P
I don't think Agate's supposed to be likable at first. Tsundere archetypes often stay that way throughout the series, but Agate drops a large part of the "tsun"-side once you prove yourself and earn his respect.
But in my opinion, his major redeeming factor is that, while he's got this "emo" behavior, he will still act to protect the others : he's a Bracer, and that fact alone tells a lot about him. This is not a career you walk into if you're selfish or lack compassion.
Like many characters in Trails in the Sky, he has depth, and there is more under the surface than what is shown.
As for his relation whith Tita, I'm pretty sure you couldn't be more wrong it you think Agate hates Tita. In fact, she might represent everything he wants to protect, be it through harsh words, or heroïc stands.
Tita could easily be a bracer, and no it's not about overprotection. I couldn't stand Agate, and this scene just ticked me off. Even if the game tried to portray him as overprotective, it comes off poorly. Agate spends most of the game claiming how our protagonists aren't strong enough, and can't handle the situation. But in reality Agate is a fool trying to act as the 'lone hero', regardless of how reckless and childish his actions are.
It seems Agate is the one who can't stay calm or keep his emotions in check. Running off alone hasn't helped him in the past, why play lone hero now? Agate clearly doesn't handle crisis management well either. Joshua is a timid, shy character with no spine (Estelle is his backbone), and when faced against someone like Agate it's obvious he will cave in mentally.
Schera was completely wrong when it came to preventing Olivier from coming. In the end he turned out to be pretty smart and useful. Tita is young, but she's smart, handy, and deadly. Agate's weakness is his 'lone hero' attitude, and if he wasn't so tough he'd have been killed. It's clear that his lone hero antics have not only slowed HIM down, but also prevented him from catching up with the men in black. The enemy has proven at this point to have been always one step ahead of him, because of his stupidity. And now, of all times, he accuses a fairly useful character of slowing down the party?
By the time I got to Professor Russell, it showed that his incompetence and his foolish arguing with Tita made us late to the party. That, and I didn't even need him for that fight (I was so angry I let him get incapacitated by creepy sheep and fought the battle with just Joshua and Estelle).
I'll provide a better police example than you put here:
swatofficer1: "#2 you should stay here, actually you guys should all stay here. Let me do this."
swatofficer2: "What? Why?"
swatofficer3: "Yeah, we're trained for this, we've had the same training and experience."
swatofficer1: "No, you'll only slow me down!"
swatofficer3: "Huh? What?"
swatofficer1: "You guys aren't strong enough for this next room. You're just not good enough"
swatofficer2: "You don't know that, what the hell?"
swatofficer3: "Where did that come from?!"
*queue swatofficer1 flashbanging his squad and rushing into the next room, only having the drug dealers escape*
Lmfao.
I really really don't like playing him either.
Both Estelle and Joshua are relatively mixed in terms of tankinesss, physical damage, and orbment usage. Since I can only choose two more party members, I've played enough rpg's and mobas such that I really wanted one dedicated tank and one dedicated caster. To me, this would be the ideal party, assuming the game was well balanced. The only true tank is Zane, so the game makes me want to play Zane every time. Then, for caster, I'd have to pick either Kloe or Olivier for their massive orbment potential. It's a bit awkward for Kloe to have a melee weapon, but she'll spend almost all of her time casting and using skills anyways, and she's the only character out of 8 with a heal+buff limit break rather than pure damage (and I love her to death).
I think many players empathize with Agate after they learn some of his backstory. But, for me, it didn't really help. I mean, I understood why he is the way he is afterwards, but.....I don't know......he almost bothered me more afterwards, like I'm frustrated with the way he expresses his pain. It's so counterproductive.
This isn't even about Tita anymore. The game shows Agate's awful and childish lone hero tactic has only proven to get him ambushed and outsmarted. There are clear situations where he is in need of help, but refuses it and tries to act tough. He complicates matters by instigating fights and arguments among our party and incites chaos for the sake of his pride.
Agate's got a blade and body but no brains.
Man that battle at the tower was tough without a third party member. But I'd seriously rather have to fight against enemies using shadowweave, handicapped than bother using Agate.
Are you sure you've been playing the same game as I have?
First of all, Agate's not doing the lone wolf thing in Chapter 3. By that time, Estelle and Joshua have proven themselves to him, so he invited them to join him after that meeting with Murdock. You remember that, don't you? He's not rushing to the Carnelia Tower on his own, he's taking two other bracers with him. Junior bracers, yes, but junior bracers who proved themselves in the lighthouse earlier. The only person who took the lone-wolf approach here was Tita.
Second of all, about crisis management, let's take a closer look at the situation that took place on the tower roof. Estelle, Joshua and Agate have just defeated the black-clad guys, but suddenly reinforcements arrive in the form of an airship with a mounted orbal machinegun on top. Now, the ship's gunner could have killed the bracers right then and there, but if you pay attention to what they say (we never wanted the bracer guild to get involved) it becomes clear that the black-clad guys are more interested in getting away than killing their pursuers. (this makes sense once you learn who they are)
Estelle starts getting angry, but Joshua tells her to stay put and Agate points out that they have to wait for the right moment to make their move. Despite what you claim about his lack of crisis management and inability to keep his emotions in check, Agate assessed the situation and reasoned that if they would be able to quickly close the distance during the second everyone was focussed on the professor, they'd be in a position where the ship's gunner wouldn't be able to fire without shooting the hostage AND his own buddy. It was risky, but it was their best shot aside from doing nothing in a situation where they were severely outgunned.
Then Tita came along who started firing wildly at the ship. (distracting the bracers in the process) Think about that for a moment. There's an airship with an orbal machinegun there (far more deadly than anything Tita carries), neither Tita nor the bracers had any cover and Tita starts ESCALATING the situation by firing away at the ship. Like I said, the guys in black's main concern was getting away, not killing their pursuers, but when faced with the prospect of their ship getting damaged and crashing, they might just resort to more deadly measures. In fact, that's what happens. The guy holding Russell panics, takes out his gun and shoots at Tita because he's afraid a few more shots will cause the ship to crash and his buddies to die. If it had been the ship's gunner who had panicked instead of the guy with Russell, both Agate and Tita would have been torn to pieces.
The game's pretty clear about Tita's character arc here. Even before we learn her name, we learn that she's prone to lapses of judgement that get her into trouble and the game depics her as a real 12-year old kid who's capable beyond her years in the field of orbal technology, yet is still a typical 12-year old in all other ways and is in way over her head when the crap hits the fan. It's no coincidence that Schera, Agate and Zane join your party way above your expected level, yet Tita joins below where the game expects you to be at that point.
If the game shared your vision (which it very obviously doesn't), Tita's unexpected interferance would have ended up saving the day and Agate would have been forced to eat his words. There's plenty of games/stories where things play out exactly that way, with the inexperienced party member who was left behind secretly following and saving the day. (i.e: pulling a Relm) Instead of that happening, Tita completely mucks things up and spends the next several scenes completely breaking down.
As part of her character development, she eventually learns that while she CAN contribute to her grandfather's rescue, she shouldn't just rush in and hope for the best, but rather work together with the others and trust the judgement of her more experienced companions. Heck, the entire game points out that more experienced folks (Schera, Agate, Zane and Cassius) are experienced for a reason and it's smart to pay attention. Agate may have a temper, but during emergencies, he does keep his wits about him and the judgement he displays during the Carnelia and Leiston operations is generally sound.
Actually, in this game everybody's dex-stat is exactly the same. Just sayin. :P
And yet in the Trails series they've chosen to put him in a supporting role where he doesn't do that much supporting and if you choose not to use him, then he practically vanishes aside from some key scenes.
I kind of doubt it was intentional but they drive a very good point home that that character archetype is really pretty terrible for saving the world scenarios or even for just trying to form an emotional connection with the players. It needs to stop showing up in JRPGs imho. :3
If you're using Agate as a tank, you're not using him right. Estelle actually makes for a better tank than he does, since she has a taunt-craft and since she doesn't need an attack-quartz in her orbment, she frequently has higher defense.
Agate's role in battle is building up CP fast and spamming crafts. Ideally, Agate should be the one who always has an S-craft in the wings in case an enemy's turn bonus needs to be stolen since he builds up CP a lot faster than anyone else. His main issue in FC was the fact his Wild Rage craft didn't give him enough CP to truly excel in that, a problem that SC fixes. The final dungeon does stack the deck against him (and all the other physical hitters) due to the enemies' increased defense.
Agate's crisis management is absolutely horrible. Instead of giving chase to the black clad dudes, he stops in his tracks to insult and accuse a party member of 'slowing them down'. Further giving the bad guys more time to recuperate and a better chance to escape in an already dire situation. What he should have done was pursue the criminals, while having a fairly capable team member supporting them. What he did was out of nowhere and completely nonsensical. It is clear he can't keep his anger in check.
Agate shines here, however, because of his argument over Tita, he ruins his own plans. Tita would not have done this had she been in the party so she could listen to Agate's plan. Instead, she is humiliated in public and left powerless in Zeiss. What was Tita supposed to do? Her grandpa has been taken, basically her own family member, to be possibly killed or tortured. Left without supervision, and with a working weapon she sets out to save a family member she'd lose if she doesn't act.
Agate's crisis management has only proven to backfire on himself by this point. His pointless tough guy act, brash and childish anger makes him look like an idiot. He creates chaos and unnecessary stress on a party member for the sake of his pride. The only reason he's kept Joshua and Estelle is because they've proven themselves, knowing Agate he's not willing to give people a chance until they've proven themselves multiple times.
And no, Tita does not rush in and hope for the best. It was due to Agate's insults and condesending attitude that made her mental situation even more unstable than it actually was. Also, no adult supervision, leaving her completely alone and with a completely working weapon? What did he expect? He should have been pursuing the kidnappers from the very start, even leaving behind Joshua and Estelle if needed, as long as he could stall or catch up to them.
Most of your points are referring to the rooftop, however, had they acted in time the kidnappers would not have gone that far. Agate basically stalled for them as opposed to catching them with his arguing.