Thoughts on greedier mode?

[Ludo Alvera]

boy I hate this mode so much, it's so unfair that's ridiculous
like, if you manage to finish the whole first floor without taking any damage (which is already pretty hard when you don't have any items), you can't even afford money enough to buy a single item
like, 12 pennies??? wtf

[Isabelle]

Originally posted by Little Louie:

boy I hate this mode so much, it's so unfair that's ridiculous
like, if you manage to finish the whole first floor without taking any damage (which is already pretty hard when you don't have any items), you can't even afford money enough to buy a single item
like, 12 pennies??? wtf

why do you need to finish the first floor without taking damage? Devil room requirements from normal mode don't apply in greed or greedier.

I mean, I don't think greedier mode is any fun, dont get me wrong, but it's unfun for other reasons.

[Danizk0]

I think it's great, the "unfairness" is what makes it fun because it's like you're fighting an uphill battle. Though nowadays I don't feel like it's unfair at all, it just requires a different mindset.

Also you can't get 12 pennies unless you're playing the Lost and are constantly pressing the button (since he gets 1 less coin per button use). Every floor will give you 19 coins, and on top of that you can get up to 3 bonus ones.
For every 3 waves in a row that you do without taking devildeal-breaking damage, an extra penny spawns on the next wave. Since the "countdown" for this gets reset upon entering a new floor, it will always happen on waves 4, 7 and 10 if you don't get hit. Extra details down below.

Here are a few tips I wrote in some old thread:

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Don't bother with d20 breaks, they are unnecessary, uncreative and boring.

Don't focus on your health before The Shop floor. Unless you are playing as Tainted Eve or have Sanguine Bond, having more than 2-3 full hearts won't help you. Buy items instead. At the end of The Shop, buy as much health as you can.

Visit curse rooms. They have bombs and keys.

If there is a key on discount, buy 2 of them unless you're on Sheol or Shop.

If there are no keys on discount, don't buy an extra key for the next floor. Every shop has a key and there's a chance the next one will have it on sale.

If buying a key means forfeiting a good item, buy the item and leave the treasure room behind. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Don't search for secret rooms if you have less than 4 bombs - blowing up machines & stone chests and getting pickups are much more reliable uses for them.

Obviously, never skip the "nightmare" wave.

Know whether or not you will be overwhelmed when the next wave spawns and press the button accordingly. Don't worry about the 3 bonus pennies - they use the same rule as devil rooms and won't disappear from self-damage. Only red heart damage taken from outside sources will make the extra coin countdown restart.

...with that in mind, it should be noted that this damage doesn't have to happen in the main room - if you pause on wave 2, walk out, take a red-heart hit from a campfire in the shop and then come back, the extra coin countdown will be reset and you won't get one on wave 4.

On early floors, kill regular enemies before targeting champions that have more health. If you choose to kill the champions first, by the time you're done with them the next wave will spawn and you'll have more enemies to dodge.

Explosion immunity makes Ultra Greedier (phase 2) almost harmless, but if you don't have it, there's another easy way to defeat him. Pick a corner of the room and stand near it; when Ultra Greedier leaps at you, move clockwise (or counterclockwise) and shoot at the corner you just left. Continue moving like this until he dies and you'll win unscathed. You need decent range for this, but that's almost never an issue.

Originally posted by HalvedDead:

4. bombing the two shopkeepers at once is consistently a great thing to do with your spare bombs. if you've unlocked them, special nickel-eyed shopkeepers are a great source of 5c coins that can really make a difference in what you can shop for. also, they have slim odds to drop head of the keeper or even the coveted STEAM SALE which can win you the run for sure, so it's just really worth bombing them at every opportunity. using the bombs to blow up rocks or to search for the secret room is not as consistent in giving you rewards to work with.

I disagree, bombs are rare and it's not a good idea to spend them on shopkeepers that have a high chance of not dropping anything besides spiders. A bomb is worth 5 cents, so even if you blow up a nickel-eyed corpse and it drops a nickel, you won't gain anything - you'll just transform the bomb into money.
If there are two nickel-eyes, then it's definitely worth blowing them up, but otherwise it's better to save your bombs unless there's a good item you can't afford without "selling" a bomb or you're on The Shop floor.

[Sugarcoat]

greed has such a juicy big ass

[Silver Felyne]

It's fine on most characters, but completely garbage for both Losts and T. Laz.
The former either loses his mantle and is now trapped with 10+ enemies, or gets telefragged (seriously, T. Lost Greedier is not fun at all).
The latter problem is that your switch animation stunlocks you every few seconds.

Of course, given the fact I've never gone back to Greedier mode... that really says something about how fun I find it.

[Kippetje94]

Originally posted by Silver Felyne:

It's fine on most characters, but completely garbage for both Losts and T. Laz.
The former either loses his mantle and is now trapped with 10+ enemies, or gets telefragged (seriously, T. Lost Greedier is not fun at all).
The latter problem is that your switch animation stunlocks you every few seconds.

Of course, given the fact I've never gone back to Greedier mode... that really says something about how fun I find it.

For Lost and t. Lost: get OP, get Rune of Algiz -> go to greed or super greed -> use rune -> problem solved.

jk, getting that rune is not common. But tbf, greed and super greed mode are super easy.

[Kippetje94]

Originally posted by Little Louie:

boy I hate this mode so much, it's so unfair that's ridiculous
like, if you manage to finish the whole first floor without taking any damage (which is already pretty hard when you don't have any items), you can't even afford money enough to buy a single item
like, 12 pennies??? wtf

Skill. Issue.

[Mr. World]

It's simply ♥♥♥♥.

[Noodl]

Honestly I also don't like Greedier mode, but I don't like Greed mode either. They're ok, but not what I want to do when I'm playing Isaac. Maybe I'm a purist or whatever, but they're just not very fun to me. My solution was to use the mod that fills the treasure room with items, pick broken ♥♥♥♥ and just win.

Is it cheating? Absolutely. Do I care? No. I'm not going to have fun if I play it normally so I'm not going to frustrate myself when I don't have to. It's still a bit of a grind, but hey, solved the problem for me. It's a single player game, do what you want.

[gFreak696]

I don't think a single thing you said is true.

[Dwarvin' Marvin]

Don't stockholm syndrome yourself. Greedier mode is arbitrarily difficult and doesn't prevent any of the same breaks as regular Greed mode.
I personally don't like it because of how many unlocks are locked behind the donation machine and how inconsistent the jamming is. Completely ruins the flow of progression, and I've absolutely hated having to beat it upwards of 20+ runs to max it, and then go to greedier mode to do all the sticker unlocks there. It's a novelty for like the first three runs until it becomes a chore.

But for advice, focus on stat ups over health ups, only do angel deals, and save your money for the next floor if there's nothing in the current floor's shop that can help you. Secret rooms are never worth, there's like 7 spots it can be and the rewards are lacklustre. Red hearts is fine when you need them, but HP ups and soul hearts are rarely worth taking until the very end. Unless your character needs them to survive even a single hit, anyways.
It's a grind, so hang in there and it'll be over eventually. If you can do it on one character, you can do it on them all with enough time.

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by gunjames724:

I personally don't like it because of how many unlocks are locked behind the donation machine and how inconsistent the jamming is. Completely ruins the flow of progression, and I've absolutely hated having to beat it upwards of 20+ runs to max it, and then go to greedier mode to do all the sticker unlocks there.

Given how you spent 4 hours bombing the wall next to the starting room to get Death Certificate, I wouldn't be surprised if you also donated all 500 coins as Azazel or something

With how easy Greed mode is, it really shouldn't take you more than 10 runs to fill up the machine with enough money to unlock Greedier. And that's with consideration of the jamming chance.

[Dwarvin' Marvin]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Given how you spent 4 hours bombing the wall next to the starting room to get Death Certificate

I don't know what you mean by this. It's way easier to get death certificate by just playing and breaking in a secret room. There's a decent number of ways of spawning item pedestals in a secret room and just rerolling them a billion times.
The game is grindy in general, and I get that. Hell, you have to unlock It Lives and then beat Hush three times before you can even touch the Repentance content.
I personally draw the line at Greed mode because it flows completely differently to the main game and has always been trivial to break on basically any character. There's no room variety, and you're pretty dependant on luck by the time you're on the second and third floors.

Originally posted by Danizk0:

With how easy Greed mode is, it really shouldn't take you more than 10 runs to fill up the machine with enough money to unlock Greedier. And that's with consideration of the jamming chance.

To unlock Greedier, yeah. It's not an issue. It was off topic, but I meant maxing the machine in general. I don't like the character unlocks like Eve's Razor, the Mantle on Lost, and the Keeper. It's arbitrary, but more than that I think it's uninteresting and doesn't mesh well with the rest of the game's progression. If they were just regular unlocks like the shop donation machine then I wouldn't mind just doing a run as I felt like it, but having an entire character locked behind 1000 feels like a chore, especially if you don't like the gamemode to begin with.
I didn't like doing it on console back in 2016, and I don't like how it's still untouched now.

[esotericist]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Originally posted by gunjames724:

I personally don't like it because of how many unlocks are locked behind the donation machine and how inconsistent the jamming is. Completely ruins the flow of progression, and I've absolutely hated having to beat it upwards of 20+ runs to max it, and then go to greedier mode to do all the sticker unlocks there.

Given how you spent 4 hours bombing the wall next to the starting room to get Death Certificate, I wouldn't be surprised if you also donated all 500 coins as Azazel or something

i think you're confusing users:

Originally posted by jcdenton666:

PS: Don't let searching the net for how to get death certificate fool you, you can very well do it with Isaac bombing a wall right next to the starting room. took some 4 hours which I deem reasonable but for the idiocy of having to randomly chase an obscure unlockable AT THE LITERAL END OF THE GAME (but alas, obviously it could take literally forever to find that item, which is the theme of the game after all).

unless you're suggesting one is a sock of the other, but while the mindsets are similar, the posting styles aren't.

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by esotericist:

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Given how you spent 4 hours bombing the wall next to the starting room to get Death Certificate, I wouldn't be surprised if you also donated all 500 coins as Azazel or something

i think you're confusing users

Oh ♥♥♥♥, you're right lol

I even checked the other post before writing my comment, saw that they both have the exact same name length, 3 numbers at the end, no profile pic and was sure that these are the same person. What an insane coincidence.