Here's my take on the Keeper.

[Rougheredge]

Got Godhead on the third floor, some tear detonation, and plenty of damage ups. Made it to the Catherdral so I can finally get the wooden nickel and hopefully make things easier for him. Did perfectly well until Daddy Long Legs murders me.

How is he supposed to be fun? The low luck, I can get, cause he heals by coins. The no half heart damage I can accept, that's challenging but not impossible if you're allowed to increase your health. But limiting to two hits, locking him out of lots of items that activate at a half heart, two heart devil deals, AND a speed down in addition to his low luck and fire rate? Someone thought this would be fun?

How about this, make it so you can buy more coin containers for like, 15 cents. That way you can play into his reliance on money and make the player potentionally have to choose between grabbing that fancy item in the shop or getting better survivalabiltiy. Plus since any coins he heals with aren't added to his total each heart container he gets makes getting the next one require more skill. It allows play into an idea I and probably a few other people thought of that he could buy devil deals. Well, if he can buy heart containers he can sort of do that indirectly can't he? It would also be nice if items that activate at a half-heart activate at one coin heart for him.

Also raise his speed to normal levels, that makes no sense and just makes him frustratingly difficult and not in the fun way. Possibly buff his luck to -1 but I won't complain with two since lucky pennies are a thing now.

Also, the blood donation machine is sort of fine as is since even though it only pays out with one coin it still can be used to gain a profit with swallowed penny, piggy bank, or just plain getting a dime or nickel but it wouldn't hurt to give it a chance to throw out two, and maybe give the same to the IV bag since even though it can be used infinitely it's useless as is since it has a chance to not pay out at all. So maybe give it a low chance to drop two so it's tedious but safe to abuse but I won't complain if this particular aspect of the game doesn't imrpove, I just think he should benefit more from arcades.

[RangedSpider]

Blood donation machines can give you 2 coins sometimes. Sorry I'm a stickler or maybe i just didn't understand. I agree though he isn't very fun to play as and I'm having trouble killing the devil and lamb with him.

[Rougheredge]

引用自 RangedSpider：

Blood donation machines can give you 2 coins sometimes. Sorry I'm a stickler or maybe i just didn't understand. I agree though he isn't very fun to play as and I'm having trouble killing the devil and lamb with him.

Ah, I've never had that happen so maybe the chances aren't very good. I feel my other points still stand. He's like The Lost in that I really like the concept of him but think the execution was poor and this felt like it was going to be a hard character to screw up, I was pretty excited for him.

Still, The Lost got improved, maybe he will? If all else fails they said they're adding mod support sometime next year and I'm already brainstorming ideas.

[Dark_Turn]

Yeah, I pretty much agree with everything you said. Your reward for donating 1000 coins to the Greed Machine (a task so mind-bogglingly tedious and boring) should be a fun character, not a handicapped one. IMO they just simply need to make it possible to get more HP slots. That would make it a pretty balanced and fun character IMO. Right now, he's basically a crappier version of the Lost.

[TurboTired]

It's not supposed to be fun :^)

[RangedSpider]

引用自 Hatty：

Swallowed penny and piggy bank.

Don't forget Mida's touch.

[infernogott]

Hush fight. Had swallowed penny. Died trying to collect the penny for full health. Argh!

[Rougheredge]

引用自 Hatty：

Swallowed penny and piggy bank.

If you're deppendent on getting those items to make a run playable, then that's shoddy design. Even worse since he's supposed to start with the store key after you beat Satan.

[Rougheredge]

引用自 Turdblow：

It's not supposed to be fun :^)

Can't tell if you're being sincere or mocking the idea but I'll answer it like it was meant to be a argument. Simply put, Isaac has always been, difficult but fun. Designing a character to intentionally be a pain in the ass is dumb.

[SaltLevelsMax]

He's my favorite character after I unlocked the Wooden Nickel with him, gives him a bit of life support for rooms/bosses and if he doesn't use it then it's a free coin that adds up giving him a good chance to buy nice stuff from the shop (which he doesn't need to use a key on). Plus I love the triple shot.

[Muchderanged]

i finally beated the chest with him.. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i'm seriously starting to this he is actually more worse then the lost. its still fun though. a true challange

[derw4tz]

yeah tbh i liked playing the lost but the keeper is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...

edmund was talking about how he thought the lost was fun but everyone said it was pure garbage so he changed him.... an now he creates another character with this exact bullcrap of lineup....

keeper would be fun if he could get coincontainers with hp + items.... now hes just another character you will cheese with swallowed penny and never touch again after that.... gj....

his artwork is amazing but that guy has no idea how to balance ♥♥♥♥

[Lunacy]

So far on all of my mega satan runs with Keeper I have not once gotten a good item from the Angel room. It's always hearts or Dead Sea Scrolls.