Tainted Eden really is the Delirium of playable characters.

[AlluMan96]

This character may very truly be the worst, not just in Isaac, but just about every Roguelike I've ever played. He might not be as boring as Tainted Lazarus and he might not be as needlessly unforgiving as Tainted Lost. However, at least I feel like I'm playing a video game when I play those two. There are things like decision making and skill that goes into playing those two. When I bested the last checkmarks on them, grueling and sometimes insufferable as the journey was, I at least felt some relief and satisfaction in a job well done. Like I had earned something by learning and adapting.

With Tainted Eden, I feel none of that. Only one checkmark short of completing the character and it feels like all I ever did as this character was faceroll until victory eventually fell on my lap. No sense of accomplishment, just keep banging my head in the wall and either my skull or the wall breaks first. His gimmick just makes me feel so numb to anything going on. How can I be invested in what is happening when everything'll just get completely flipped on it's head at a moment's notice? Why should I think about my approach and carefully plan anything, when those plans will fall by the wayside the moment the slightest setback happens and I could've gained just as much of an advantage just rolling my face across the keyboard and getting re-rolled into something decent anyway?

I may have had alot of complaints with some of the ♥♥♥♥ going on in Repentance. I may have had my issues with alot of characters, bosses, game modes, etc. However, Tainted Eden, in my entire experience is probably the only one that I can safely say feels completely and utterly worthless.

[John Orbit]

I get what you mean about the no-skill thing, but I've come to enjoy T. Eden. It's kinda like a summer blockbuster - just big dumb fun, with no thinking required.

It's weird, but I actually get excited about taking damage, like - What am I going to become now? Sometimes I end up with a combination of items I've never had before, which is cool. And if I end up with a miserable build, I just walk into an enemy.

Once I get all the achieves, I'm definitely going back to T. Eden for fun runs, just to see what happens. But if that's not your cuppa tea, I totally understand.

[Zoobi]

I didn’t really enjoy Tainted Eden much either so I’m with you on that one, but I’ve been trying to replay each character to try to enjoy myself so there’s that

[Яedly Яed.暗赤色@Tsundere-Tiddy]

Agreed, I've been burning through tokens trying to get the Delirium unlock and it's pure aids, there's a good share of garbage-tier tainted chars, but Eden is certainly THE one.

[AlluMan96]

Originally posted by John Orbit:

I get what you mean about the no-skill thing, but I've come to enjoy T. Eden. It's kinda like a summer blockbuster - just big dumb fun, with no thinking required.

It's weird, but I actually get excited about taking damage, like - What am I going to become now? Sometimes I end up with a combination of items I've never had before, which is cool. And if I end up with a miserable build, I just walk into an enemy.

Once I get all the achieves, I'm definitely going back to T. Eden for fun runs, just to see what happens. But if that's not your cuppa tea, I totally understand.

I can understand that. For me, the novelty was a flash in the pan. I had my laughs for the first half of my checkmark hunt, but now with everything got, the gimmick wore out real bad along the way. I can definitely see myself enjoying him more now that I've completed his marks and don't have to worry about "Will I be able to kill Hush/Delirium with this?". Even then though, I'll probably only ever tolerate him when random picked. I just need that number-crunching, secret-combing, min/maxing experience from Isaac. It's why T. Isaac is my favorite character in the game, because you really need to consider every decision made with him. For that dopamine-rush character, I think I'll be sticking with T. Keeper.

[AlluMan96]

Originally posted by Яedly Яed.暗赤色@Tsundere-Tiddy:

Agreed, I've been burning through tokens trying to get the Delirium unlock and it's pure aids, there's a good share of garbage-tier tainted chars, but Eden is certainly THE one.

The funny part is that, now coming back here after having finally done it myself, I'd like to relay my "winning strategy", but there really wasn't one. I had 3 separate shots against Delirium today with T. Eden and I couldn't tell you what I did differently from the first two times other than "I got a lucky Godhead + Contact Lens". Literally the only thing I could say is that never miss a single opportunity to get items. If there's a shop not cleaned out, a beggar still begging and a blood donor still standing, you gotta try your best to squeeze each of those dry. As long as you attain a big enough horde of items, the game is literally incapable of sufficiently ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you over, especially if those items came from just about every pool. The only pool I'd say you should stay clear from is Devil, Curse and Dark Beggars. Other than that, I just wish you the best of luck.

[Яedly Яed.暗赤色@Tsundere-Tiddy]

Originally posted by DD AlluMan96:

Originally posted by Яedly Яed.暗赤色@Tsundere-Tiddy:

Agreed, I've been burning through tokens trying to get the Delirium unlock and it's pure aids, there's a good share of garbage-tier tainted chars, but Eden is certainly THE one.

The funny part is that, now coming back here after having finally done it myself, I'd like to relay my "winning strategy", but there really wasn't one. I had 3 separate shots against Delirium today with T. Eden and I couldn't tell you what I did differently from the first two times other than "I got a lucky Godhead + Contact Lens". Literally the only thing I could say is that never miss a single opportunity to get items. If there's a shop not cleaned out, a beggar still begging and a blood donor still standing, you gotta try your best to squeeze each of those dry. As long as you attain a big enough horde of items, the game is literally incapable of sufficiently ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ you over, especially if those items came from just about every pool. The only pool I'd say you should stay clear from is Devil, Curse and Dark Beggars. Other than that, I just wish you the best of luck.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2677213018

I really could use some luck right about now, so getting tired of this crap...

[Zoobi]

I think delirium still needs his change…

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by DD AlluMan96:

This character may very truly be the worst, not just in Isaac, but just about every Roguelike I've ever played.

For sure. I understand John Orbit's point too, but such playstyle is not for me (or 90% of other Isaac players for that matter)

[UwU]

I wish a reroll system was more unique and not just d4. Even maybe a chance to just reroll one random item upon getting hit. Heck, you can even make it so it always rerolls into a tmtrainer item, painful but probably still more fun than what T Eden currently has

[Danizk0]

Pretty much any change would make him more interesting simply because he's already at the rock bottom. Tainted Eden would become more fun even if his gimmick was turned into the same thing as the DELETE THIS challenge.
btw, hate the fact that TMTRAINER affects story items.

[UwU]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Pretty much any change would make him more interesting simply because he's already at the rock bottom. Tainted Eden would become more fun even if his gimmick was turned into the same thing as the DELETE THIS challenge.
btw, hate the fact that TMTRAINER affects story items.

They fixed it in one of the latest patches. Or atleast that what I read, didn't get this item in a while
Edit: 1.7.5 update, second fix on the list

[Danizk0]

Oh, awesome, I thought it was intentional

[F IAaP n]

It's all about where you take the items from.
Active items make a huge difference, so it's better to take one from the Curse room or the Shop and go to alt. path to avoid picking up new active items from the treasure room.

Curse room has a lot of great items, both active and passive – Guppy's Paw alone is incredible as you can convert the heart containers you get from rerolls into permanent soul hearts.
The Shop has a huge variety of active items you can't never go wrong with. One of them is Alabaster Box, which is, apparently, bugged to have a full charge if you reroll into it. Don't pick a passive item, though, since The Chaos would very likely mess things up.
Items from the Angel Room are generally much better than the Devil Room's, especially since you can get Holy Mantle. The active items suck, though.
Secret Room can be a hit or miss, depending on what you've unlocked already.

[†MLS† KIRINAS ';,†,;' ;,,;]

T.Lazarus, before rework, was much worse than Eden. With Eden only problem is going to Beast, because on hit you reroll The Fool card.

[squat_instructor]

Originally posted by †MLS† KIRINAS ',†,' ,,:

T.Lazarus, before rework, was much worse than Eden. With Eden only problem is going to Beast, because on hit you reroll The Fool card.

you can get around this by dropping the card, including doing so at the start of the Mom fight

Overall T.Eden is like an ultimate roguelike character - you need to make the best of what you are given at every re-roll. Besides, latest major patch improved him greatly by not re-rolling on self-damage and revival items working properly.