THE LOST NERF (TBOI REPENTANCE)

[Bill Cipher]

honestly i found that the fact that now the lost can take only 1 item from the devil deals makes this character too hard for me and no longer funny like before. what do you think about this?

[RZA]

I still think the lost is doable because he has his flight and spiritual tears, which allow you to hide behind rocks and stuff. All that is kinda useless thought when fighting a boss like hush, but yeah he's still good in my eyes.

[shiftcore]

bad, i think he was the worst affected by all the nerfs.
idc what people say, not getting hit twice was hard enough no matter how op u was.
i hope if no changes to the item nerfs happen then, i at least hope the lost gets reverted back.

[ToxicBoo]

Honestly, I'm fine with limited devil deals, what I disagree with is the holy mantle nerf, you have almost no chance to recover from a bad situation now.

[Wibiz]

Honestly? Haven't tried yet. Not before they make the game generally easier for other characters at least. I did quite enjoy nabbing all of the devil deals, but if it comes between brimstone and the dead cat and I only could choose one, I'd be extremely infuriated. The Lost may have gotten a buff in previous DLC's (Like, a major one) but he is still by no means an easy character. Other than dying from one hit I felt like being able to get free devil deals was really the only thing going for it.

Furthermore, his new item, the eternal D6, is basically crooked penny but with rerolling capabilities. A bit better than the D4 for some but since they made the holy mantle integrated to the lost and unable to be rerolled, it makes no sense why they would change it seeing as how the D4 could turn a bad run into a feasible one, rolling otherwise useless items such as health ups into useful ones.

Both end bosses that were added also do require a decent build, one of them being luck based, which means that removing the ability to take free devil deals is quite asinine. Usually when there's a nerf such as that one, there's a buff that counteracts it. In this instance though, I see nothing but imbalance. It would've been better if they made the holy mantle changes they did, but instead of restricting devil deals and changing the spacebar item, they should've kept the D4 and done a less significant nerf to him. He is hard enough as he is, and with the new garbage he'll have to face he needs everything he can get, especially since breaking the game is out of the question.

[CheetosDust™]

i still see lost as one of the best characters, its like normal isaac but he can take damage every room, fly, has spectral, and gets free devil deals in general, I hadn't had trouble with the lost since afterbirth.

[Sad Pug]

Legend has it he can have devil deals with awesome items, but it feels like game will bone you and give you devil rooms... with black hearts. Best item for him ever, right? What a steal!
Even with supposed "better items" I didn't feel any difference - items were still great, I mean, who wouldn't want lovers tarot card or mom's locket, amirite?
And with holy mantle now being worthless I don't see anything wrong with this character.

[Brig Lig Smoke]

wait until you see tainted lost

[Man of Culture]

I've managed to get pretty far with the lost so far in the new DLC. Killing some of the new bosses will be pretty hard though I can already tell it's going to need certain items for sure or a combination of consumables etc. Taking devil deal items for free is already pretty good. Not being able to take them all is fine because most of the time you have a choice between say The Pact and Headless Baby. It's rare when you go in and it's like Brimstone, Abaddon, or like two Guppy items.

[WitchAmy]

Being able to get all devil deals was too op.

git gud

[Revalopod]

The Lost was actually buffed.
You get a 2 charge d6 (that deletes the items half the time but still)
Guaranteed +10 luck trinket

Try getting birds eye or ghost pepper item. the fire shoots 100% of the time due to high luck so you become a flamethrower that destroys all enemy tears so you can't get hit and it melts bosses and carried me to kill the beast easily.


how is that a nerf?

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by faustow:

wait until you see tainted lost :resmile:

one of the most powerful characters in the game........
.......if you don't get hit

[❤️ニューハーフ]

Originally posted by Revalopod:

Originally posted by faustow:

wait until you see tainted lost :resmile:

one of the most powerful characters in the game........
.......if you don't get hit

hes not lol
tainted lost just shows that way too many rooms are cheap and either if you encounter them and kill enemies in 1 second or just die (while as normal lost you can atleast tank 1 hit)

also better items mechanic is not saving grace, you can still be couple floors in and have just random trash items picked up

[Man of Culture]

Originally posted by ❤️ニューハーフ:

Originally posted by Revalopod:

one of the most powerful characters in the game........
.......if you don't get hit

hes not lol
tainted lost just shows that way too many rooms are cheap and either if you encounter them and kill enemies in 1 second or just die (while as normal lost you can atleast tank 1 hit)

also better items mechanic is not saving grace, you can still be couple floors in and have just random trash items picked up

You have 100 hours in the game. That's why.

[Pastapockets]

The greatest nerfs are to Jacob and Esau, as coming into existence at all was a net detriment.

[Sirius]

Originally posted by Pastapockets:

The greatest nerfs are to Jacob and Esau, as coming into existence at all was a net detriment.