Yet another Jacob and Esau rant.

[CJones]

I just spent the last hour trying to make a Jacob and Esau run work. Two serious attempts, and they both ended the same way. I was in Utero and Esau got stuck on some random rock, and by the time I realized it, 1 second later, it was too late. He was already swarmed and there was no way I could keep both of them alive.

I'm all for challenge, but Good Lord, Jacob and Esau runs can end at the drop of a hat. One unfortunate room layout and BOOM, you're dead.

[Lucifer ★✬]

hell, if they made it that they both stuck together it would be so much better (like duck tape)

[Josef K]

I hate this character so much. every time I play them I get in some room with angular obstacles that ends up separating the two and making it impossible to play coherently without taking damage and screwing up the run. worst character in the canon now, by a mile. can't wait to see how badly they play in the Dogma bullet hell fight.

[dragoonbb]

They are the only character I can't even be bothered to complete the hard mode for. I really don't look forward to trying to get the mother checkmark.

[Zeforas]

As someone who finish this character, i can say :

Even for fun, i don't think i'll play those character. The only way i can see myself playing those two again is because i choose "Random" and got unlucky.

[Danizk0]

I genuinely have no clue why so many people find J&E difficult to play. The brothers have an incredibly strong start and can get double items if you go to the alt floors. Their only downside, besides the larger hitbox, is the fact that they need twice as much health. Me and my friend consider them to be one of the strongest characters in the game.

Buff one of them and turn the other one into a guinea pig for pills + lame items. Keep them together most of the time, unless the room has a tight corridor. If it does, make use of your ability to keep Esau still. Don't get flight if it means that only one of the brothers is going to fly. Spread health evenly.

[Dyne]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

I genuinely have no clue why so many people find J&E difficult to play.

mostly just people who can't adapt to their different playstyle and/or bandwagoners

hardest part of J&E is the first couple of floors before you can make use of the extra items and stack them up. one thing to remember op is that you dont even have to send Esau out in some rooms, just hold ctrl and clear the room as Jacob so you dont lose all your health getting him stuck on something.

[popehentai]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

I genuinely have no clue why so many people find J&E difficult to play. The brothers have an incredibly strong start and can get double items if you go to the alt floors. Their only downside, besides the larger hitbox, is the fact that they need twice as much health. Me and my friend consider them to be one of the strongest characters in the game.

Are you playing with a keyboard, or a controller? using the 'ol xbox360 controller i've found them damn near impossible to do anything with as the default keybindings make zero sense for switching between characters items.

[dwinters62]

Can we all just make a mega thread at this point? Every other discussion is about Jacob and Esau.

[Acidrotaticam]

the game is full of unavoidable damage that ends runs and frustrates the player, but Jacob and Essau has two hitboxes that aren´t conjoined, so is purely cuestion of luck completing the game with them

[Josedx9]

I already have almost all the brands, I just need to complete The Beast with Jacob and Esau and I can say that they are perfectly playable, you just need some practice to get used to their way of playing.
A good way to start a game with them is with a library on the first floor, if you get a book that gives you health, you can allow yourself to accumulate life with one of them and thus survive longer

[Bread Panda]

Delirium is the final hurdle for Jacob and Esau for me. all times ended in failure =/

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by popehentai:

Are you playing with a keyboard, or a controller? using the 'ol xbox360 controller i've found them damn near impossible to do anything with as the default keybindings make zero sense for switching between characters items.

Controller with the same keybinds that I've been using for 8 years. My friend uses keyboard.

Originally posted by Bread Panda:

Delirium is the final hurdle for Jacob and Esau for me. all times ended in failure =/

Delirium is just a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ boss, the fight is stupid for any character

[ゲ-で]

They just punish you for having no friend to play them with, but ♥♥♥♥♥ isaac is not a game for a nice couch gaming.

[I_w ⛧]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ garbage trash character.