How you guys manage to play Jacob and Esau?

[Boody]

They're completely ass to play as, more for me than playing the lost with holy mantle, they're feel completely unfair when every bullet is basically punishing you for existing, just because you could't have any possiblity to dodge that. Any good items on them or tips?

[Rio]

Give all the damage ups to one character usually. And get both decent hp.

Though some items its better to split it.

You get two active item slots, 2 trinkets. These can help a lot.

[Kelchesse]

They do have base damage combined, so it's good to use it and fire away at anything before it comes close. While alt floors are tempting for double treasure room, you will prolly get blasted too hard there. Carefully going through floors and trying to get angel deals and snatching two items with them is really helpful.

But take my tips with a grain of salt, got as far as It lives and killed only through the fact i had a bible on one xd

[Rio]

More often than not I get a troll item on alt floors as the mystery item anyway. Cuz why should we get two items we can see or 4 free items right before the mother fight like in the mod?

[Danizk0]

J&E have an extremely strong early game and get double items if you do the alt floors. I have no clue why so many people are complaining about them, just give the good items to Jacob and the bad/unknown items to Esau. They're 50 times easier than Tainted Lazarus, who has to share items between his 2 forms.

[orian34]

Get double angel deals, steamroll the game, that's the best strat sadly

[Boody]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

J&E have an extremely strong early game and get double items if you do the alt floors. I have no clue why so many people are complaining about them, just give the good items to Jacob and the bad/unknown items to Esau. They're 50 times easier than Tainted Lazarus, who has to share items between his 2 forms.

Tainted Lazarus can at least dodge the enemies projectiles if the player is good enough, Jacob and Esau cannot. You know how frustrating it's to play against it lives/hush or delirium with them?

[Danizk0]

Originally posted by Orzeszek:

Originally posted by Danizk0:

J&E have an extremely strong early game and get double items if you do the alt floors. I have no clue why so many people are complaining about them, just give the good items to Jacob and the bad/unknown items to Esau. They're 50 times easier than Tainted Lazarus, who has to share items between his 2 forms.

Tainted Lazarus can at least dodge the enemies projectiles if the player is good enough, Jacob and Esau cannot. You know how frustrating it's to play against it lives/hush or delirium with them?

Of course I know. It's pretty easy. Even if you really have to tank some damage (hasn't happened to me yet), it's not like you're playing as the Lost, getting hit multiple times is not the end of the world. On the other hand, do you know how frustrating it is to have near-starting stats on floor 7? No matter how good you are, you won't be able to dodge ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you can't deal enough damage to kill your enemies in time.

[Regrettable Acts in 1 Step]

Try to stop dodging diagonally as Esau would be at risk of getting hit when you do (since you'll be controlling Jacob).

Try to balance out the character's weaknesses first before you start to min max. Jacob has a really good tears stat (starting at 3) that you can really ignore even until Mom, but he has normal damage and a pitiful range. Focusing and giving damage & range to Jacob should be what you prioritize until Jacob has caught up to Esau's damage.

Likewise, Esau is a powerhouse. As far as I know, Esau has a HIGHER STARTING DAMAGE than Judas. He has standard range, standard tears stat, but very low survivability.

Another thing you should be mindful is that a bomb usage is TWO bombs that ARE SYNCED. This means that any bossfight that's giving u trouble can just be skipped as long as you have 2 bombs (and for mom's case, its 3 bombs). Learning how to bomb bosses is essential do stop yourself from DYING TO BOSSES LIKE mini gurdy, matriarch, the 5 dingle room in the chest, etc etc.

I think those are the best advice I can give you without it sounding too git gud ish

[Sapatos]

Cry, Get Frustrated, Rage, Try again, get good items, win.

[Plaguelight]

Originally posted by Sheos:

Cry, Get Frustrated, Rage, Try again, get good items, win.

You forgot "get lucky". That's the biggest one, as evidenced by my lack of unlocks with the Dumb & Dumber

[Zephyr the Kibago]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Originally posted by Orzeszek:

Tainted Lazarus can at least dodge the enemies projectiles if the player is good enough, Jacob and Esau cannot. You know how frustrating it's to play against it lives/hush or delirium with them?

Of course I know. It's pretty easy. Even if you really have to tank some damage (hasn't happened to me yet), it's not like you're playing as the Lost, getting hit multiple times is not the end of the world. On the other hand, do you know how frustrating it is to have near-starting stats on floor 7? No matter how good you are, you won't be able to dodge ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you can't deal enough damage to kill your enemies in time.

for someone who likes talking trash a bout how easy jacob and esau is... you sure haven't done jack with them...

[Regrettable Acts in 1 Step]

I understand not enjoying it but goodness, how hard is it to accept that J&E is just a different way to play?

[Plaguelight]

Originally posted by Regrettable Acts in 1 Step:

I understand not enjoying it but goodness, how hard is it to accept that J&E is just a different way to play?

By the sheer fact that they put unlockables behind them, that's how hard. If it was simply a challenge for funsies, sure! Great! But no, you HAVE to play them. Thus, the true terror is unleashed.

I'd rather do all of The Lost's unlocks without Holy Mantle again, just like in the old days, than try another run as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Both normal and tainted, they suck worse than any other.

[Regrettable Acts in 1 Step]

Originally posted by Plaguelight:

Originally posted by Regrettable Acts in 1 Step:

I understand not enjoying it but goodness, how hard is it to accept that J&E is just a different way to play?

By the sheer fact that they put unlockables behind them, that's how hard. If it was simply a challenge for funsies, sure! Great! But no, you HAVE to play them. Thus, the true terror is unleashed.

I'd rather do all of The Lost's unlocks without Holy Mantle again, just like in the old days, than try another run as Tweedle Dee and Tweedle ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Both normal and tainted, they suck worse than any other.

By that same logic, wouldn't most of the rune be a bad implementation because it's locked behind a challenge?

I personally can accept if you dislike it, but I really do think J&E isn't as bad as people make em out to be

[Scrubwave]

Originally posted by Zephyr the Kibago:

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Of course I know. It's pretty easy. Even if you really have to tank some damage (hasn't happened to me yet), it's not like you're playing as the Lost, getting hit multiple times is not the end of the world. On the other hand, do you know how frustrating it is to have near-starting stats on floor 7? No matter how good you are, you won't be able to dodge ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ if you can't deal enough damage to kill your enemies in time.

for someone who likes talking trash a bout how easy jacob and esau is... you sure haven't done jack with them...

Lmao, he sure does like to talk.