Lack of damage up items

[eDy]

I've played the original isaac and rebirth quite many hours and I really do love these games but the situation with damage items is getting just ridiculous. After repentance released I have had so many runs with zero or one damage up item offered all run. I get why certain items were nerfed and Edmund doesn't like players just winning every run but at least give me a fighting chance. Item pools are so polluted with useless items that it's just too hard to find even the small amounts of damage ups right now.

Edit: I know this might be hard thing to fix right now but this should have been fixed with repentance already since the lack of damage items was noticable with previous dlcs too but now things have gotten even worse.

[GaZoZ]

Agree its literally impossible even on normal to go especially the corpse route without going around trying to either break the game or exhaust all rooms/options to amplify your stuff but even then i rarely find anything with damage up besides pills and the odd devil star thing item( pentagram i think), each encounter with the final boss is a quick hp depletion i couldnt imagine what it is on hard or just trying to get down their in 1/3 to 1/2 the time, every run is literally 2-4 hours.

I just managed to beat the route with The Forgotten and it was quite painful tbh im not even sure how i managed it with such garbage items as controlled ipecac for the soul heart character although ipecac is actually pretty good for the melee one. However i only managed it due to going around hogging balls of steel on earlier floors and choosing the light polaroid and prob the best devil i made in that run was the red void thing that sucks enemies and it prob helped 2-4 hits avoided at the final boss since it takes bullets too.

But ye the game is impossible even on normal now for the corpse route since it has to be a calculation each time due to the braindead design choice of requiring 1 key and 2 bombs and on top of that not to forget the ashpit sacrifice thing since most people prob go to the minecart first and after that forgetting the door and jumping to necropolis instead thus wasting your precious time like it did mine right now when i jumped accidentally down with Azazel because i keep forgetting the idiotic design choice of the door not being next to the minecart exit but in the boss room.

Terrible design choices overall in the new dlc. I dont think im even going to bother with the unplayable lost/keeper/Jacob till theres a mod or trainer to adjust them to a sensible and enjoyable experience with the corpse route.

[Lucifer ★✬]

I seem to always get a few damage ups and no hp ups or lots of hp ups and no damage ups

Dosnt help with the item influx the hp/damage ups dont spawn as much as they used to

[eDy]

Originally posted by GaZoZ:

But ye the game is impossible even on normal now for the corpse route since it has to be a calculation each time due to the braindead design choice of requiring 1 key and 2 bombs and on top of that not to forget the ashpit sacrifice thing since most people prob go to the minecart first and after that forgetting the door and jumping to necropolis instead thus wasting your precious time like it did mine right now when i jumped accidentally down with Azazel because i keep forgetting the idiotic design choice of the door not being next to the minecart exit but in the boss room.

I'm doing fine on normal but hard mode seems too luck based now that the devil deals, shops and resource find were nerfed hard.

[T1N1->Casper_Ksta]

THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN BOIS.
On a more serious not we are in a effect-item meta, as much as I hate the phrase "git gud" I think you could benefit from using the tools the game gives you better.

[Lucifer ★✬]

Originally posted by CryoSpider:

THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN BOIS.
On a more serious not we are in a effect-item meta, as much as I hate the phrase "git gud" I think you could benefit from using the tools the game gives you better.

But when bosses are just hp and damage checks it gets impossible when the game dosnt give you said items

[Smaugi]

It's possible to win with no damage ups.
But im gonna be honest it's boring as ♥♥♥♥ , shooting that boss for like ~15 minutes.
I sometimes reset runs halfway trough just because I don't wanna deal with that.
Unless I get some cool tear effect that makes it interesting.

[orian34]

Originally posted by Lucifer ★✬:

Originally posted by CryoSpider:

THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN BOIS.
On a more serious not we are in a effect-item meta, as much as I hate the phrase "git gud" I think you could benefit from using the tools the game gives you better.

But when bosses are just hp and damage checks it gets impossible when the game dosnt give you said items

If it were the case, I'd agree, but it's not true here. The only stat that can screw you over directly is low speed

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by CryoSpider:

THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN BOIS.
On a more serious not we are in a effect-item meta, as much as I hate the phrase "git gud" I think you could benefit from using the tools the game gives you better.

ah yes, use the tool of dad's lost coin with the very helpful 1 penny and 1 luck, I'll surely use that to win the game
seriously though it becomes quite annoying when some runs all you get from bosses is items that don't really help in the long run like dad's lost coin, booster pack, tropicacaiamide aka the tear size up useless item, mum's undies, mum's heels, mum's lipstick, magic 8 ball (actually the +15% planetarium chance is great, but it's nearly always useless if you get it in the caves or depths), pageant boy (only very, very occasionally is it actually something I'd be happy about), box (also occasionally useful, but often it won't make a difference), safety pin, latch key, match book, and mom's pearls. And then if all you get in the treasure rooms is just active items, even if they're good you can only carry one so most treasure rooms become useless, and then you have a run where you are pretty much base stats in terms of DPS and it's not fun.

[Revalopod]

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

It's possible to win with no damage ups.
But im gonna be honest it's boring as ♥♥♥♥ , shooting that boss for like ~15 minutes.
I sometimes reset runs halfway trough just because I don't wanna deal with that.
Unless I get some cool tear effect that makes it interesting.

yep, same. When I beat mom's foot and my damage is still near or at base and my tears is still at or near base or I don't have any worthwhile offensive items then I just restart.
Although to be honest, it's a rare occurrence and I only restarted once.

[Smaugi]

Originally posted by Revalopod:

Originally posted by Lord Gwyn:

It's possible to win with no damage ups.
But im gonna be honest it's boring as ♥♥♥♥ , shooting that boss for like ~15 minutes.
I sometimes reset runs halfway trough just because I don't wanna deal with that.
Unless I get some cool tear effect that makes it interesting.

yep, same. When I beat mom's foot and my damage is still near or at base and my tears is still at or near base or I don't have any worthwhile offensive items then I just restart.
Although to be honest, it's a rare occurrence and I only restarted once.

Im pretty unlucky with damage ups as I often then to not get any , nor any tear effects , but I also ussualy play judas or eve so it's not that big of a problem

[Omegatherion]

No, there are enough DMG up items in the game i would say...

https://imgur.com/92ShG9I

[Dark Bison]

Originally posted by GaZoZ:

Agree its literally impossible even on normal to go especially the corpse route without going around trying to either break the game or exhaust all rooms/options to amplify your stuff but even then i rarely find anything with damage up besides pills and the odd devil star thing item( pentagram i think), each encounter with the final boss is a quick hp depletion i couldnt imagine what it is on hard or just trying to get down their in 1/3 to 1/2 the time, every run is literally 2-4 hours.

are you kidding me? Normal mode literally hand feeds you op items and an overabundance of consumables and blue hearts. I tried a few normal runs for the heck of it and was able to get to the beast and beat him in under 40 to 30 minutes tops every time, no one should really have any issue beating the game on the current iteration of normal whatsoever.
You have to get out of the comfort zone and stick to hard mode so you can develop your skill with the game. It may sound impossible but with practice, you will become very accustomed and won't look back on normal runs ever again. Push yourself, YOU CAN DO IT!!!!

[CrystalCore]

Originally posted by Revalopod:

Originally posted by CryoSpider:

THIS CONVERSATION AGAIN BOIS.
On a more serious not we are in a effect-item meta, as much as I hate the phrase "git gud" I think you could benefit from using the tools the game gives you better.

ah yes, use the tool of dad's lost coin with the very helpful 1 penny and 1 luck, I'll surely use that to win the game
seriously though it becomes quite annoying when some runs all you get from bosses is items that don't really help in the long run like dad's lost coin, booster pack, tropicacaiamide aka the tear size up useless item, mum's undies, mum's heels, mum's lipstick, magic 8 ball (actually the +15% planetarium chance is great, but it's nearly always useless if you get it in the caves or depths), pageant boy (only very, very occasionally is it actually something I'd be happy about), box (also occasionally useful, but often it won't make a difference), safety pin, latch key, match book, and mom's pearls. And then if all you get in the treasure rooms is just active items, even if they're good you can only carry one so most treasure rooms become useless, and then you have a run where you are pretty much base stats in terms of DPS and it's not fun.

exactly: adding to that: i havent had a dr fetus in like 50 runs, meanwhile i find some items so often that u could think any good item has a high chance to get rerolled into "trash" items, linger bean, lemon mishap, cains other eye, ANY OF THE 500 USELESS FOLLOWERS THIS GAME HAS, cant even tell you how often i found the same ♥♥♥♥ over and over again

[Cryten]

It would be nice if the special system was still in effect so you could get at least 1 strong item at high chance.

[orian34]

Originally posted by CrystalCore:

meanwhile i find some items so often that u could think any good item has a high chance to get rerolled into "trash" items, linger bean, lemon mishap, cains other eye, ANY OF THE 500 USELESS FOLLOWERS THIS GAME HAS, cant even tell you how often i found the same ♥♥♥♥ over and over again

Too bad that they all are decently good