the clicker should change the playing character, but the win should be given to the original character

[Manuel]

i hate that the clicker is an awful item durign a run you want to complete your character, because when you use it, you are not changing the characteristics of your character to make it equal to another one, but you are actually changing the character, so all the wins are made with a different character. i think the game should rememeber the original character you started the run with and give the wins to that character instead. the same reasoning should be applied to the other idems that change you into the lost/poop/lazarus. because otherwise they are harmfull to your experience.

[Pantheon]

Then don't use items that change your character.

[Manuel]

Originally posted by Pantheon:

Then don't use items that change your character.

ok first of all: when you get those items its like you did not get a reward at all. its not that i don't want to took them, because i am not good enought to use them, its because they are harmfull to the run, without any way of helping you.
sencond of all: when you have curse of the blindness with void, its basically a way to ruin your run. what should i do? just not took the iteam? so we return to the initial problem, that its not that i am not good enougth to use them, but that they are harmfull to the run.

[Pantheon]

Originally posted by Manuel:

when you get those items its like you did not get a reward at all.

Depends. Theoretically you can cross of several completion marks in one go with them.

sencond of all: when you have curse of the blindness with void, its basically a way to ruin your run.

A possibility, yes.
Tough luck then.

You are at the mercy of the almighty RNG. Some items are good, some items are bad and everything in-between.

[Manuel]

Originally posted by Pantheon:

Originally posted by Manuel:

when you get those items its like you did not get a reward at all.

Depends. Theoretically you can cross of several completion marks in one go with them.

sencond of all: when you have curse of the blindness with void, its basically a way to ruin your run.

A possibility, yes.
Tough luck then.

You are at the mercy of the almighty RNG. Some items are good, some items are bad and everything in-between.

some items are bad, but you still are able to use them. the clicker just ruins everything.

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Manuel:

some items are bad, but you still are able to use them. the clicker just ruins everything.

There are always a few run-enders depending on the situation. That's why you think twice before picking up items when you have curse of blindness. It's the same with pills, you don't take any if you have specific objectives that could be ruined by RNG.

[Manuel]

ok, but my point is that, depending of the item you get, there is alwasy a way to use it or conitnue the run with it. but i think there is no way to finish the run using the clicker. all other items can still be used, so i think it should have a rework

[lukaself]

Originally posted by Manuel:

ok, but my point is that, depending of the item you get, there is alwasy a way to use it or conitnue the run with it. but i think there is no way to finish the run using the clicker. all other items can still be used, so i think it should have a rework

I think it's supposed to be restrictive considering it opens the possibility to get completion marks for the hardest characters with little effort. Your initial suggestion actually removes that purpose and makes the item useless.

[Danizk0]

An item that exists simply to allow you to cheese the unlocks for harder character shouldn't exist in the first place. It's one of the few items which need a complete rework/removal because they're just completely useless and stupid.

[Manuel]

Originally posted by lukaself:

Originally posted by Manuel:

ok, but my point is that, depending of the item you get, there is alwasy a way to use it or conitnue the run with it. but i think there is no way to finish the run using the clicker. all other items can still be used, so i think it should have a rework

I think it's supposed to be restrictive considering it opens the possibility to get completion marks for the hardest characters with little effort. Your initial suggestion actually removes that purpose and makes the item useless.

i don't get what you mean with "get completion marks for the hardest characters with little effort"

[kone]

Clicker is an item that just exists. Idea being you want a different character out of desperation or whatever, extra strategy is cheesing hard unlocks by spending lots of time finding this specific item in a very specific situation. Just don't use it if you already have a plan and already know what it does.

Also if you revive as a different character but retain completion marks for the original character, you bet everyone playing The Lost is going to hunt for Lazarus' Rags or Judas' Shadow. That's some sleazy cheese.

[Manuel]

Originally posted by Danizk0:

An item that exists simply to allow you to cheese the unlocks for harder character shouldn't exist in the first place. It's one of the few items which need a complete rework/removal because they're just completely useless and stupid.

i don't see how you would cheese the unlocks, because even if you want to arrive at the final boss and change to the character you want to get the unlock you still have to either:
1) beat the boss with your current character, witout an active item, then hope to get randomly the chracter you want to beat it with
2) use the item immediately before the boss, and hope to randomly get the character you want, then still beat the boss with that character

[The Renderer]

I kind of agree that it's annoying if you want to finish with a certain character, but
a) you can still clicker away, just make sure you get back to the original before you do the thing you want to do
b) it would be equally strange if you could simply change e.g. the lost into azazel via clicker and later on still get the credits for a lost run.

[The deadly Cutsman]

Originally posted by Pantheon:

Then don't use items that change your character.

This.

Originally posted by Manuel:

ok first of all: when you get those items its like you did not get a reward at all. its not that i don't want to took them, because i am not good enought to use them, its because they are harmfull to the run, without any way of helping you.

A lot of items are like this.

Originally posted by Manuel:

sencond of all: when you have curse of the blindness with void, its basically a way to ruin your run. what should i do? just not took the iteam? so we return to the initial problem, that its not that i am not good enougth to use them, but that they are harmfull to the run.

Don't void with curse of the blind.

[Violeta]

The clicker should show who you'll turn into since it already steals an item from you. And specially while characters like tainted isaac will crash your run.

[The deadly Cutsman]

Originally posted by White:

The clicker should show who you'll turn into since it already steals an item from you. And specially while characters like tainted isaac will crash your run.

Or you know... Fix the character instead of working around the bug...