Repentance is NOT fun (angry rant)

[Danielviomusic]

I am genuinely upset with the current game. I expected to find some new bosses and fun items to wombo combo, and what I found was my game experience completly destroyed. I am so fed up with this difficulty trend, with the games being difficult because they have to. No other reason. So many bold choices were made here.

1. Normal mode is now twice as hard as old hard mode was. New hard mode is nearly impossible. Curses every damn floor, and now they are even worse than they were before.
2. Talking about curses. Wtf is wrong with curse of darkness? Like I can't see ♥♥♥♥, it's an instant run killer.
3. Nerfing items to balance? More like nerfing items to make the ones that were essential before even more essential. There are so many garbage items you depend on a good item pool way more than before. Nice.
4. And more about item nerfs, there isn't a single moment you find an item and be like 'cool, this is a good run'. Even when finding the best of the best I am just scared of the bs enemies that may appear in the next room. There is no relief or satisfaction in finding a good item.
5. New enemies are bs. Flies surrounding me shooting fire towards me? White eyes shoting >5 divine beams at once?
6. Old enemies are way stronger. Increased attack speed, shoot speed and movement speed because... Reasons. Even the first 2 floors can become a nightmare.
7. Stats nerf. Ok. So needed.
8. 'Trap' rooms, like the ones having statues shooting and buttons and that stuff. Now every single one of them has a little detail to make it even more punishing. Do you know that little safe spot you hide between statues to press the button? Well I am sorry for you, it has spikes now.
9. Devil deals are an overkill. Not only because they are more expensive, but specially because all the nerfs to those items. Angel room gives you better items (since they are mostly about survival and not raw damage they have not been nerfed too much), for free and even sometimes with some soul hearts.
10. Instant damage rooms. So fun. And fair.

I am probably leaving so many things behind, but well, you get the point. I am totally fine with any of you having the time of your lives playing Repentance, but this is a casual-killer DLC. And I am by no means a casual player since I've got 200 hours in the game. Maybe not a hardcore, but definitely not a casual.

If Edmund pretended to make hardcore players rage with this update by making it pointlessly difficult and punishing, all I can say is well done, now the game feels nearly unbreakable. But he should've also thought about all the other players. I didn't know how to insta break a run pre-Repentance and now I feel punished for no discernible reason. If you design a DLC only for the hardcore players, which may represent a <5% of the player base, all you end up doing is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the rest hard. Being constantly punished and having no rewards (good items, good combos...) is not fun whatsoever.

I'll repeat it, I have nothing against any of you who are enjoying this. There is nothing wrong with it and I respect that. If so, feel free to leave here your opinion, since maybe I got things wrong and overreacted. I don't think so though, I don't find this fun anymore.

EDIT: Edmund tweeted last night about difficulty increase. He says its about adapting and learning the new meta. After some time he will decide if he has to balance things. Wether he decide one thing or another, most people will be long gone by that moment. Casuals and veterans will have dropped the game because, I don't know, maybe they don't want to feel frustrated just for the promise of it getting good after 100 hours?

[Revalopod]

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

A lot of my issues could be solved by taking boss armor off of everything that isn't Hush/Ultra Greed, fixing Holy Mantle's I-frames, and setting projectile speeds back to pre-Rep.

Oh, and delete Jacob & Esau k thx

A lot of your issues could be solved with mods ;)

[Juno Brier]

I didn't even notice anything about enemy projectile speed until I saw people talking about it. I suppose that's what happens when I didn't play the game for a while before Repentance's release and immediately jumped into hard mode after its release.

[SandTag]

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

A lot of my issues could be solved by taking boss armor off of everything that isn't Hush/Ultra Greed, fixing Holy Mantle's I-frames, and setting projectile speeds back to pre-Rep.

Oh, and delete Jacob & Esau k thx

jacob and esau is like a terrible modded charecter except im going to have to play them for unlocks.

[Rio]

SandTag님이 먼저 게시:

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

A lot of my issues could be solved by taking boss armor off of everything that isn't Hush/Ultra Greed, fixing Holy Mantle's I-frames, and setting projectile speeds back to pre-Rep.

Oh, and delete Jacob & Esau k thx

jacob and esau is like a terrible modded charecter except im going to have to play them for unlocks.

Its really not as bad as tainted jacob. Or tainted laz.

[Flame]

Repentance is SPICY, if you are bad at the game just play it, and you'll get better. Problem Solved! If I can beat Mom's heart with Lazarus IN HARD MODE within only 50 hours in the game, surely you can beat mostly everything with 2,000 hours.

[Revalopod]

SandTag님이 먼저 게시:

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

A lot of my issues could be solved by taking boss armor off of everything that isn't Hush/Ultra Greed, fixing Holy Mantle's I-frames, and setting projectile speeds back to pre-Rep.

Oh, and delete Jacob & Esau k thx

jacob and esau is like a terrible modded charecter except im going to have to play them for unlocks.

it literally is a modded character (originally made for Antibirth)

[King Narwhal]

SandTag님이 먼저 게시:

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

A lot of my issues could be solved by taking boss armor off of everything that isn't Hush/Ultra Greed, fixing Holy Mantle's I-frames, and setting projectile speeds back to pre-Rep.

Oh, and delete Jacob & Esau k thx

jacob and esau is like a terrible modded charecter except im going to have to play them for unlocks.

It's basically having Isaac's Heart without the invincible char, it is pure suffering.

[Revalopod]

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

SandTag님이 먼저 게시:

jacob and esau is like a terrible modded charecter except im going to have to play them for unlocks.

It's basically having Isaac's Heart without the invincible char, it is pure suffering.

at least they both shoot, and both drop bombs, and can take both items in alt path treasure rooms, and take 2 items in applicable angel deals.
which doesn't make up for having 2 separate hitboxes but it's something at least.

[Rio]

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

SandTag님이 먼저 게시:

jacob and esau is like a terrible modded charecter except im going to have to play them for unlocks.

It's basically having Isaac's Heart without the invincible char, it is pure suffering.

I just did greedier with them and it only took 2 or 3 tries. Tainted eve took me over 30. She's way worse than them. Not only can you not hold down fire or you straight up die because you go down to 1 hit. But her follower die easy on bosses and they can seperate just like J&E. Did I mention she even turns eternal hearts into die-able followers, like if I remember right she gives TOP PRIORITY to taking your eternal hearts away. The character based around having as much hp as possible to have the biggest army she can INTENTIONALLY makes you the least likely to gain more red hp.

At least they can take 2 angel deals at the same time. Which is huge,

But I'll still 100% agree that seeing double is one of, if not the most trash challenge in the game.

[Strokes McShaft]

I agree with a lot of this. Just had a run where I ended up in a small room with 6 laser dudes, one of them being a champion that heals everyone, and a pit in the middle of the screen. Since I had no flight item I just got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as I'm trying to dodge 6 lasers while dealing damage that just kept getting healed back up by the champion every time I had to focus on dodging. Got destroyed without killing a single one of them. Probably the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ room I've ever encountered in this game, killed my mood to play for the day.

[UwU]

Slang McBando님이 먼저 게시:

I agree with a lot of this. Just had a run where I ended up in a small room with 6 laser dudes, one of them being a champion that heals everyone, and a pit in the middle of the screen. Since I had no flight item I just got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ as I'm trying to dodge 6 lasers while dealing damage that just kept getting healed back up by the champion every time I had to focus on dodging. Got destroyed without killing a single one of them. Probably the most ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ room I've ever encountered in this game, killed my mood to play for the day.

Why were you shooting other enemies and not a champion tho? lol

[SandTag]

⛧Black⛧님이 먼저 게시:

King Narwhal님이 먼저 게시:

It's basically having Isaac's Heart without the invincible char, it is pure suffering.

I just did greedier with them and it only took 2 or 3 tries. Tainted eve took me over 30. She's way worse than them. Not only can you not hold down fire or you straight up die because you go down to 1 hit. But her follower die easy on bosses and they can seperate just like J&E. Did I mention she even turns eternal hearts into die-able followers, like if I remember right she gives TOP PRIORITY to taking your eternal hearts away. The character based around having as much hp as possible to have the biggest army she can INTENTIONALLY makes you the least likely to gain more red hp.

At least they can take 2 angel deals at the same time. Which is huge,

But I'll still 100% agree that seeing double is one of, if not the most trash challenge in the game.

the only tainted one i have issue with is the lost because its just old unfun lost.

rest are just mostly meh/boring level

[John Orbit]

The two things that kill it for me are Jacob & Esau and Tainted Lost.
With J&E, the game simply isn't designed for a character with two hit boxes. There's too many things that should be easy to dodge that become guaranteed damage when your hit box is twice the size - Isaac's holy light attack, for example.
As for Tainted Lost... What can I say except, WHY?

[The deadly Cutsman]

John Orbit님이 먼저 게시:

The two things that kill it for me are Jacob & Esau and Tainted Lost.
With J&E, the game simply isn't designed for a character with two hit boxes. There's too many things that should be easy to dodge that become guaranteed damage when your hit box is twice the size - Isaac's holy light attack, for example.
As for Tainted Lost... What can I say except, WHY?

Brace yourself for the "Git gud" comments.

[redditor_gaming]

one thousand comments later, it finally feels like this conversation's losing some steam. reporting back because i want to.

all of the issues stated by OP and like 90 % of the issues discussed in this thread are purely non-issues to me, and i think it's simply because of a difference in skill