Tainted Eve Vs Greedier: like hammering your own balls with a plastic bottle.

[TheKingmario2]

Everytime i ask to myself: how in the world, Nicalis/Edmund missed a so evident flaw with some tainted characters in that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ gamemode before releasing repentance? Not only i can't find an answer, but i just find out more misfits in that awful gamemode the more i play!

The problem is: those character aren't just bad, they blows big hunking d*ngs in greedier! Tainted Forgotten gets walloped by an unholy quantity of enemies that crouds the room while getting back the skeleton after a throw and Tainted Bethany, loses item wisps so fast because of over crowding and enemies that spawn under her a*s!

But if both of them aren't idiotic enough in greedier then we have Tainted Eve, perhaps one of the least fun tainteds to play (even in normal) becuase of her annoying mechanic.

Her attack speed is not existent and to make things even worse you can't even keep pushed the attack button without creating an undesired bloodcloth while fighting. This character relys FULLY on her gimmick of creating blood cloths, but since they are fragile like an iced cobweb and moves like those two misfits of jacob and esau (getting trapped by holes an obstacles) you cannot make them last enough in greedier, expecially if an horde spawns right under your sweaty b*ms. Do you face a champion clotty in the first floor? Gameover pal, because if it don't kills you (or kills all your blood cloths) it tanks until the room get crowded by spiders and other horrible things (like an extra champion clotty) and then you are 100% sure of getting ganked next.

Can you interrupt hordes? yes but actually no. This because red hearts with Tainted Eve aren't just plain life, they are the source to create your whimpy blood cloths, the ones that gives you that negligible extra damage and the ones who gets rekt instantly after a trite spawns under their cracks.

Can you rely on R spamming until you get some tears up or damage up? no.....because those bonuses aren't enough to patch the awful default stats of T Eve (unless you magically find mom's knife in the first silver treasure, in that instance you should really pack your sh*t and move to Las Vegas), resulting in a not fast enough tears rate or damage, getting overcrowded and then ganked with your crappy cloths. The only way to last a little more is to rely on health ups, so you can use them and make some extra blood cloths.......that is your only way of damage.

I took ages to bring her to fight Delirium and Hush (I'm still paying the shrink for the sessions that resulted from those challenges), but with the greedier mode i can't even get pass the first (without doubt hardest) floor of the challange because she can't do jacksh*t to enemies. She is plain Unreliable (just like T Forgotten or worse).

[Jasmin]

I haven't tried t eve yet, but for t lost you can step on the button without taking damage so you can take your time and clear waves one at a time. :-) just a little tip in case you haven't finished him

[Sentient Entropy]

Oh nice, I was just about to make a similar post myself. Sitting around -100 streak or so, trying to get T.Eve through Greedier and even making it to the second floor is a rarity.

[Butt.]

I beat boss rush and hush, on my first or second try with t. eve, kind of like the idea behind her, but I see what you mean about greedier, I just did the other route, and tried to use sumptorium through, which works but the clots still comes down to getting a health item in the first floor to really help. She's pretty bad, but tainted lazarus was far worse. It's ironic, I guess they didn't play these characters much or something, but, they tried to balance the game by reducing powerful items, buffing weak ones. O.K I get that, and really think it made the game way better, but then, they create all these tainted characters that need specific item drops in order to succeed, or are limited even further by a larger list of 'bad/useless' items...it doesn't really make sense. Not that they are all bad, but they are so cut off to even fewer combinations of success.

[TheKingmario2]

Originally posted by Jasmin:

I haven't tried t eve yet, but for t lost you can step on the button without taking damage so you can take your time and clear waves one at a time. :-) just a little tip in case you haven't finished him

That is how i finished greedier with t lost. Technically T Lost was one of the first tainted characters i 100%oed because i though "ok, this guy gonna makes me very mad very quickly", it turned out right but for the wrong reasons, then with a little of persistence i completed it...... i just say: 10% of extra holy cards isn't enough.

I have almost completed all tainteds, but right know im scraping the bottom of the barrel in therms of challanges. i still need to play Tainted Lazarus (im not gonna touch that m*fo until devs dosen't rework it), Tainted Cain (it isn't bad, but for me? he is a torture to play for how slow and methodical it works) and Tainted Eve (greedier and the beast, but i want to beat the beast as last with her just because i prefer the "good ending" more than the others).

[Adammk]

on normal play she can be extremely viable but greedier mode is specifically designed to prevent you from having much hp at all, so without any game breaks its hard to even attempt beating it. I still find her way more enjoyable than T. forgotten though.

[Jasmin]

Originally posted by TheKingmario2:

Originally posted by Jasmin:

I haven't tried t eve yet, but for t lost you can step on the button without taking damage so you can take your time and clear waves one at a time. :-) just a little tip in case you haven't finished him

That is how i finished greedier with t lost. Technically T Lost was one of the first tainted characters i 100%oed because i though "ok, this guy gonna makes me very mad very quickly", it turned out right but for the wrong reasons, then with a little of persistence i completed it...... i just say: 10% of extra holy cards isn't enough.

I have almost completed all tainteds, but right know im scraping the bottom of the barrel in therms of challanges. i still need to play Tainted Lazarus (im not gonna touch that m*fo until devs dosen't rework it), Tainted Cain (it isn't bad, but for me? he is a torture to play for how slow and methodical it works) and Tainted Eve (greedier and the beast, but i want to beat the beast as last with her just because i prefer the "good ending" more than the others).

I finished t lost because I thought doing that would make the other characters ez but it didn't 🥺

[Rio]

Tainted eve vs greedier mode was one of the worst experiences I ever had with the game. It was like ultra hard levels bad.

It took a floor one starter deck or booster or whatever it is that gave me diamonds cards that let me reach like near max money.

Like bam ace of diamond when a lot of enemy waves were out. Then 2 of diamond x2.

[Loquatious]

Tainted Forgotten can step on the button for free, so you can deal with waves one at a time. It's tedious, but it works.

Unfortunately, Tainted Eve just sucks and there's no remedy for it. Enemies telefrag the clots and then you get overrun and die because your base DPS is garbage and you spent all your health already.

If Roundies spawn, leave them alive. They'll kill other enemies with the shockwaves and explosions and maybe make things more manageable.

[dwinters62]

Once you have an army of clots, heal yourself by picking up hearts and just tap shot after that. You don't need to hold the button in.

[Danizk0]

Focus on buying health instead of items. Tainted Eve is actually one of the few characters who is fun in Greedier, as she turns the standard playstyle on its head. I found The Beast to be her worst unlock, even though normally it's the easiest final boss in the game.

[TheKingmario2]

Originally posted by dwinters62:

Once you have an army of clots, heal yourself by picking up hearts and just tap shot after that. You don't need to hold the button in.

those infos gives me "just don't get hit" vibes. Did i mention that i already completed all normal mode completion marks with tainted eve (exept the beast that im keeping for last as "true ending")? i know how she works (or more precisely: how she don't works) in fast paced situations like greedier mode, but this dosen't make up to patch all the horrible problems of default stats of T Eve. Single tapping is yes, your only option with her, but is also one of the main flaws that makes possible stat ups less effective with her. Without cloths (and health) you are just waiting for someone who puts an end to your misery.

Originally posted by Danizk0:

Focus on buying health instead of items. Tainted Eve is actually one of the few characters who is fun in Greedier, as she turns the standard playstyle on its head. I found The Beast to be her worst unlock, even though normally it's the easiest final boss in the game.

uhm......are we playing the same game? she blows in greedier man! Enemies spawnkill (in the opposite way) your cloths while you try to dodge an enemy and a new horde generates. And to make things even worse is the fact that interrupting hordes with her is a salty price to pay (basicly you are burning survivability and possible cloths materials just to stop an horde), she isn't a flying character, she gets the spikes damage if the button get pushed, and also: pros is that you get a brief form of relief by stopping it (with still the risk of losing cloths) but add the cons of losing ungodly ammount of money (that in greedier is even scarce). everytime.

[Danizk0]

Go to the center of the room when a new wave spawns, no enemies will appear there.

Don't be afraid to press the button if you feel like you'll be overwhelmed on the next wave, losing 1 penny and half a heart is not as crippling as buying 2 hearts because you got hit 3 or 4 times. Knowing when to press it is the key to victory in Greedier.

[Laffibob Dongripants]

I had no problems doing Beast, Mother, Delirium and Mega Satan with Tainted Eve. It didn't really take that long. I'm not really not that bad at this game, I am quite decent tbh.

Now, after probably 100 runs in Greedier mode with Tained Eve, frustration, yelling and sometimes going "wtf killed me?" and "but I still had HP from pushing Q!!" I exited the game and told myself that I won't give up, but enough is enough for now. I've been sitting for hours getting different combos. My best run was to the Shop, but at that point I only had one black heart, and I didn't even see a single soul heart in any of the shops on my way up.

I had a few runs with really good items, only to see me dying either bc I held the firing button too long or simply because I couldn't get/buy enough hearts to keep myself up.

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Bonus: When I was fighting Mega Satan, I almost died. Not because my gear sucked or that I played bad, but simply because it went so good that I forgot about my life going from probably 10 heart containers to 1/2 one, in just a few seconds.

Basically. If you actually get to Ultra Greedier in Greedier mode, and you're supposed to kill the first phase, dodging his coins and mobs, then going over to the 2nd phase, dodging beams, explosion and Greedier himself, AND keeping sure that your HP doesn't go down to under 2 hearts, well...It's probably a lot of work.

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I just wonder if I had done 100 tries with Tained Lost, instead of Tainted Eve, and how well I had done in comparision. Sure, I've had flying on Tainted Eve at least once in Greedier mode, but she still got really bad damage most of the time. At least Tainted Lost can somehow defend himself early on, and possibly get a few items that can make Ultra Greedier doable. Back in the first years of Binding of Isaac I did everything with the Lost except Mega Satan (you know...without Holy Mantle), so I am certain there is a bigger chance I can Greedier mode with him before Tainted Eve. It's kinda crazy to think like this, but I've played this game for over 1600 hours, so I know what I am talking about.

One last thing. I had a few wonderful runs with Tainted Eve; I was litterary unstoppable, and it was so fun to watch everything work together, but the chances of getting a combo like that in Greedier mode seems very slim, even after doing tries in the 100s. I expect one day to finish Greedier mode with Tainted Eve, maybe on my next try, maybe tomorrow...maybe in a week...I don't know, but I am certain to make it at least. It's just a bit difficulty.

EDIT: Did it!

[HeraldOfOpera]

Yeah, the character with an especially bad early game in the mode with brutally front-loaded difficulty is near-impossible. That sounds about right.

[SilverTank]

After I read this I wondered: "how hard could it be?" and tried to accomplish the greedier with t. eve.

After the first 10 runs I felt the same.. The first floor is the worst. My strat was getting to half hearth and go with the "knife like" attack...
This character is constant stress but if you are familiar with t. lost you can go with half hearth and win (like I did)
Good luck guys