What is the best character for greed mode?

[Whorra]

I want to get keeper, so, other than lilith, what is the best character to beat greed mode with over and over?

[JellyPuff]

Postat inițial de burn1none:

read two posts up

That's why i've just edited my post. :P

[Icedfate]

Postat inițial de BoboTheHobo:

I am very glad for the help i have gotten, but some of you have forgotten that i want to know what character is best for greed mode BECAUSE i don't have very much money in the greed machine. (25 coins, as of this message) so i don't have keeper, lost doesnt have holy mantle, and cain doesn't have paper clip. anyway, thx for all the help!

one thing to keep in mind, you can't fill up the greed machine playing the same character over and over, because there's a % stat in the upper left that goes up the more you use the same character and eventually it gets to the point where you can only put 1 or 2 coins in before it jams.
you have to learn to beat greed mode with most or all the characters if you want to have any hope of filling the machine to 999+1

[Plazy]

Isaac: Starts with a bomb and the D6 so he is very good at getting rid of garbage items you do not want, whether it is in the item rooms, the shop, or the deal with the devil/angel. Most items don't have many downsides for him. That bomb can also be very helpful as bombs are one of the consumables that are hard to come by in Greed mode.

Maggy: She's a meh character. Her new speed up pill gets rid of her speed problem and she has the Yum Heart which is very good at helping her retain health. If you don't get a better space bar item, a good strategy is to get health upgrades for her so that she can take more hits. But other than that she's just Isaac with a pretty wig and an extra heart container.

Cain: His starting key can save you 3/5 coins you can to use to buy a key to open your item room if you haven't gotten a way to obtain free keys. The Paperclip is also useful if you ever find chests in the shop or the D20 and decide to reroll a bunch of money into other consumables. He also starts with slightly higher damage compared to Isaac so that is nice.

Judas: Pretty ok character. His Book of Belial can easily be used if you need to take a break in between waves. (Don't use it multiple times when you already activated it. It does not stack.) He also has slightly higher damage. However, his one heart can be an accident waiting to happen. Taking the curse room with just one heart is asking the game to kill you. Health upgrades are a must.

???: My opinion fairly mediocre. I like ??? in normal runs because you never have to worry about losing a deal with the devil/angel when you take damage. But in Greed mode, taking damage isn't much of a problem if you aim to get a devil/angel deal (Only thing you have to worry about health wise is the Devil deal killing you or not). But ???'s soul heart gimmick can be hard to keep him alive and refill his health if he loses some of it. And the Poop isn't doing him much favors unless he gets Petrified Poop or Midas' Touch.

Eve: Like normal runs, she is high risk and high reward with her ♥♥♥♥♥ of Babylon. Keep in mind that she just needs one full heart to go into ♥♥♥♥♥ of Babylon and not half a heart like everyone else. I advise having at least one heart and having soul hearts for the ♥♥♥♥♥ of Babylon.

Samson: Samson is like Eve except you don't have to constantly put yourself into too much danger. Get health and take damage on purpose to recieve a good damage boost after taking damage (Make sure to buy hearts so you don't end up being a one hit wonder however). And if you find items that fully restore your health like Magic Mush or <3, take damage before taking it.

Azazel: A very OP character in normal runs but pretty mediocre in Greed Mode. That short range, slow charging Brimstone shot is not doing any favors for him in the Greed fight. Your best bet with him is to get regular Brimstone or get Tears upgrades and good damage as well.

Lazarus: He is pretty good. He is Isaac except for the -2 Luck. However his -2 Luck isn't much of a hinderance excluding tear effects (Ok maybe that is a bit of a hinderance) and he can have a good pill to start with. However his starting pill is a literal gamble. And don't forget his extra life. Don't waste the extra life however.

Eden: It's a literal gamble. You can have an OP start or a very crappy character. Nothing more to really say here.

The Lost: Lost has flight and spectral tears. He is good at hiding in obstacles and he does not take damage from the button. If you need to restore the mantle for him, push the button and leave the room to do so. And he can take Devil deals for free. Just be careful not to get hit. Oh and if you see extra life items like 1-up! or Dead Cat, be sure to obtain them.

Lilith: Lilith is great at completely destroying Greed rounds but be sure to get items that'll help you in the Greed fight since you will most likely not have a giant familiar army during that time.

The Keeper: The coins that spawn during rounds are literal life support for him. Get tear upgrades and try to reroll health upgrades. If you want to get devil deals, get Judas' Tounge so you can at least get them. Also make sure to have a health upgrade after taking the deal. Or else you'll end up being a one-hit wonder.

Apollyon: This character, like Isaac, has potential to do wonders in this mode since he is able to put multiple space bar item effects into one space bar item and he can use said space bar item to turn garbage items into helpful stat boosts. Also, the effects of one-use space bar items will not persist. It will only occur once with the Void and then it'll never happen again. The Void will also not be able to do certain passive bonuses (Such as flight from A Pony/White Pony).

[Icedfate]

whenever I play greed mode, with anyone, I always go straight to the open item room and if there's a damage up or a tears up, I'll play through, if there isn't , I restart.
yeah, its "scummy" but it saves a lot of frustration if you can guarantee yourself a dps upgrade right from the start.
winning greed mode is all about stacking as much dps as possible, with health being the second priority. red hearts or blue hearts are both good.

usually on the regular mode, i try to keep my red heart containers low, so I have more room for blue hearts which in turn makes it easier to get devil deals, but that's not necessary in greed mode as the deal always opens whafter you beat the final optional wave.

also, as the keeper, if you take a devil deal and lose one of your coin(hearts), can permanently get it back by using srength card, which is temporary for everyone else.

[John Orbit]

Postat inițial de BoboTheHobo:

I am very glad for the help i have gotten, but some of you have forgotten that i want to know what character is best for greed mode BECAUSE i don't have very much money in the greed machine. (25 coins, as of this message) so i don't have keeper, lost doesnt have holy mantle, and cain doesn't have paper clip. anyway, thx for all the help!

So... Do you have D6 for Isaac? (Beat Isaac [boss of Cathedral] with ??? [character] to unlock if you don't) Again, starting with the D6, Isaac is the most solid character in the game, overall.
Bonus: Re-roll everything. Flaw: None.

[esco1979]

Postat inițial de burn1none:

Postat inițial de esco1979:

We didn't forget. You didn't tell us. And we aren't mind readers or about to check your profile.

its literally the first 5 words of his post

No. He never said ANYTHING about the # of coins in the machine. All he mentioned was wanting to get Keeper (which I honestly didn't notice when I made my initial post; but I'm betting he won't be the only person who uses this thread so it's still useful info).

[Typisch]

Postat inițial de BoboTheHobo:

I want to get keeper, so, other than lilith, what is the best character to beat greed mode with over and over?

You can't use one character, you have to use different ones so you can put more coins in the machine

[aph1]

there is no point in grinding greed mode with the same character over and over. your counter will go up to 10% very fast and as of then you can only donate a few coins per run before it gets stuck.
if you switch between characters, the counter % doesn't go up so fast and you can donate a lot more per run.

[I'm scared of women]

Cain is the best cause of the starting key

[Icedfate]

I could be wrong, but it looks like if you have afterbirth+ and you do Greedier Mode (the hard version of greed mode), then your jam% stays at 1% and doesn't rise.

I was doing it with the same character over and over, not for the coins but to find the rest of the pedestal items and I noticed that everyone has 1% and when I was filling the machine back up, it was staying at 1%, but I also already had all the stuff unlocked already and was filling the machine back up for the second time so I dunno.

but I DID notice that same character had 17% jam rate on greed mode while having 1% on greedier.

so, it seems like if you still want to grind out greed mode with the same character, you might need to do greedIER mode in AB+

or just suffer through and use all the different characters like everyone else did before they had AB+


p.s.

I think Lilith is the best for greed mode, because she can use the box of friends multiple times per floor as long as you stay in the first room and fight all the waves off, you can get 3 uses out of the box and have just enough charge left over for the next floor

[Typisch]

Postat inițial de Femaiden:

I could be wrong, but it looks like if you have afterbirth+ and you do Greedier Mode (the hard version of greed mode), then your jam% stays at 1% and doesn't rise.

I was doing it with the same character over and over, not for the coins but to find the rest of the pedestal items and I noticed that everyone has 1% and when I was filling the machine back up, it was staying at 1%, but I also already had all the stuff unlocked already and was filling the machine back up for the second time so I dunno.

but I DID notice that same character had 17% jam rate on greed mode while having 1% on greedier.

so, it seems like if you still want to grind out greed mode with the same character, you might need to do greedIER mode in AB+

or just suffer through and use all the different characters like everyone else did before they had AB+


p.s.

I think Lilith is the best for greed mode, because she can use the box of friends multiple times per floor as long as you stay in the first room and fight all the waves off, you can get 3 uses out of the box and have just enough charge left over for the next floor

dude the discussion is a bit old

[Cupid]

I honestly don't know

[Fracastador]

While this is an old discussion, my experience with greed mode is that, apart from lilith, Judas was my strongest greed mode character thanks to book of belial giving him a powerful head start damage boost that lingers throughout entire rooms. This helps him efficiently handle the first two floors while buying items to improve his stats further, at which point you are potentially strong enough that you can make it the rest of the way. Early damage is the way to go for greed mode if you don't have some other game-breaking effect like lilith's cumulative familiar duplication.

Azazel has damage, but his charge time is a bit dangerous in greed mode due to the potential of mobs of enemies turning up from all sides at once. Also if you don't get some serious range boosts or an alternate tear effect, ultra greed/greedier is pretty annoying for azazel.

[Icedfate]

Postat inițial de Typisch:

Postat inițial de Femaiden:

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dude the discussion is a bit old

1. I'm not a dude

2. the discussion may be old but I believe my points are still valid, since this discussion is still relevant as there are still people who haven't filled up the greed machine

3. you are a hypocrite, because when you respond to a necro post to shoot someone down for necroing a post, you are bumping the thread up even higher which mean you are even more guilty of necromancy than the person you are attempting to persecute...dude

[fushigi friend]

Postat inițial de Femaiden:

Postat inițial de Typisch:

dude the discussion is a bit old

1. I'm not a dude

2. the discussion may be old but I believe my points are still valid, since this discussion is still relevant as there are still people who haven't filled up the greed machine

3. you are a hypocrite, because when you respond to a necro post to shoot someone down for necroing a post, you are bumping the thread up even higher which mean you are even more guilty of necromancy than the person you are attempting to persecute...dude

Dude is commonly used as a gender neutral term. While it literally means a male person, basically everyone calls anyone a "dude" regardless of gender